On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 10:49 PM, <HumJanenge@googlegroups.com> wrote:
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- [HumJanenge-YG] FLASH: RTI Amendment Bill No. 70 of 2011 : Private Member Bill [3 Updates]
- First Time: Need Help! [3 Updates]
jaiprakash narain <coljpn@yahoo.co.in> Oct 18 10:27AM +0530 ^
Yes, there can't be any smoke with out fire,there must be some thing going on under the table quitely.Though once in parliament there can't be any thing in quite,so let us see once it is tabled.
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From: lokesh batra <batra_lokesh@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Monday, 17 October 2011 11:13 PM
Subject: [HumJanenge] [HumJanenge-YG] FLASH: RTI Amendment Bill No. 70 of 2011 : Private Member Bill
17 Oct 2011
I have just come to know about a Private Member (Bhausaheb R. Wakcharu, MP - Shiv Sena) Bill No 70 0f 2011
titled "THE RIGHT TO INFORMATION (AMENDMENT) BILL, 2011 dated 02 August 2011 is listed in Lok Sabha.
A copy of the bill is attached
Lok Sabha website Link :
http://164.100.24.219/BillsTexts/LSBillTexts/asintroduced/1263LS.pdf
More Later.
Best
Commodore Lokesh Batra (Retd.)
Social & RTI Activist
BringChange
In Mumbai
www.bringchange.org
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vinay singh <vinay4299@gmail.com> Oct 18 10:44AM +0530 ^
A private member's bill has very little chance of being passed. If the
present Govt wants to amend the RTI Act, it will have to introduce the bill
itself. Perhaps it is just testing the waters. A similar exercsie was
carried ou recently, when Manish Teari introduced the THE INTELLIGENCE
SERVICES (POWERS AND REGULATION) BILL, 2011 in March, which sought to give
wide ranging powers to the intelligence agencies, under the garb of making
them accountable. It died a natural death, after many activists strongly
criticised it. The same exercsie will have to be undertaken by RTI
activists.
Maj Gen VK Singh
Sant Mathur <santmathur@gmail.com> Oct 18 06:03PM +0530 ^
Whenever any doubt is cast evidence has to be adduced in support of the
same.None is available.
No one can throw bay with bath water.
If misuse of any provision is identified and is well documented and
researched, suitable remedy,out of large optios available,needs to be
suggested.Mere kite-flying by Govt/Private Member(possibly Govt in disguise)
wouldn't do.
The subject is dominated by stalwarts in law,and hence ANY,JUST
ANY,amendment,or even attempt thereof wouldn't carry muster.
spm
Topic: First Time: Need Help!"Nisarg Vyas" <nisarg_vyas@rediffmail.com> Oct 17 04:26PM ^
Dear friend,Mr. Rajesh Pandey has asked the RTI solution for the problem which seems to come under local body as mention in his query. Anyways, please recommend him from the groups domain.
Thanks
From: "Rajesh A. Pandey" <rajeshapandey@gmail.com>
Sent: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 09:43:21
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Subject: [HumJanenge] First Time: Need Help!
Dear Friends @ Hum Janenge,
Greetings!!
I am using this forum for the first time to seek help & guidance from all of you for a small issue that touches the lives of around 450 Families in a small but growing town called Thane in Maharashtra.
We live in housing complex of 13 buildings in the outskirts of Thane city near Upvan Lake. For approximately 3500 residents & adjoining settlements/gaonthan, we do not have a designated park or an open designated space.
We have an open space surrounded by our buildings designated as "Land for Displaced" with an area of around 3000 Sq. Meters in government records. This space has been slowly encroached by local shanties & a local builder has kept his men on the land.
However major portion of the land is still open & we want to use this as public play ground or convert it into a park for which the apex body is ready to contribute. Currently we are maintaining the remaining open space as a small ground.
I want to know:
1. How can we get rid of the encroachment using the RTI?
2. Can we use RTI to convert the reservation on the land from Resettlement for Displaced to Green Zone?
3. How can we force the local body which is Thane Municipal Council to atleast clear whatever is available & create a boundary around the space?
Need Help!!!
Warm regards,
Rajesh A. Pandey
Thane, Maharashtra,
India.
rajeshapandey@gmail.com
# +91-9833377777
Repeat, Review, Reuse. Most important, Recycle for better tomorrow.
"Mahesh Khera" <mkkhera@yahoo.com> Oct 18 01:50AM ^
Dear Mr Rajesh, happy to know ur thoughts. HJ has very high class intellect as we all have seen. I am sure even its moderation will touch dizzy heights one day as saner voices will always find their rightful place in this power evolving universe. Keep going and as a responsible community, realize your aims through collective means and fearlessly bereft of any individual false ego or false pride. All the best.
Warm regards,
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Rajesh A. Pandey" <rajeshapandey@gmail.com>
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Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 04:05:43
To: <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>; <csindelin@yahoo.com>
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Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] First Time: Need Help!
Thank you Arun Ji,
For the guidance & understanding the challenge we are facing.
Have received very good & valuable suggestions from members of HumJanenge. I will put all the views across to the active members of our apex body & decide the next steps in consultation with them.
We will keep updating the steps taken & outcomes on the group. Am sure we would try to reach a solution to the challenge being faced.
Warm regards,
Rajesh A. Pandey
Thane, Maharashtra,
India.
rajeshapandey@gmail.com
# +91-9833377777
Repeat, Review, Reuse. Most important, Recycle for better tomorrow.
-----Original Message-----
From: csindelin@yahoo.com
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Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 21:33:02
To: <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
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Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] First Time: Need Help!
Dear Mr. Pandey,
1. How can we get rid of the encroachment using the RTI?
Please write a letter/petition to Thane Municipal Council along with photographic and video graphic evidence of encroachment supported by statements of at least two eye witness and if possible secretary and chairman of each society buildings.
Then follow it up vigorously through RTI to know what action has been taken by Municipal Authorities to evacuate the illegal encroachment.
2. Can we use RTI to convert the reservation on the land from Resettlement for Displaced to Green Zone?
You may ask through RTI to know the norms for converting land reserved for displaced to Green Zone. Once you know the norms and if you feel you can abide by those norms then again write a letter/petition and follow it up through RTI.
3. How can we force the local body which is Thane Municipal Council to atleast clear whatever is available & create a boundary around the space?
Its a criminal offence to encroach upon Govt. Land. With all supporting proofs of encroachment make a petition praying that it is in the larger public interest that Thane Municipal Council must clear or create a boundary around the space. Again follow up the Petition through RTI to know what steps the Municipal council has taken.
Mr. Roy have you ever visited Thane suburbs? Do you know what is a housing society?? Do you know how encroachment happens in Thane and Mumbai by unscrupulous Builders?
I am sure enough that without appreciating facts, situations and without even applying your brain you suggested the below points to Mr. Pandey to which I am answering:
1) Why are you trying to selfishly impose your middle class views on a statutory planning process ?
Mr. Pandey is trying to save a piece of Govt. Land which is slowly being encroached by unscrupulous builders.
Now how Mr. Pandey is trying to selfishly imposing his middle class views on a statutory planning process? He wants to use RTI in a larger public interest.
2) If a site is shown as "land for dispossessed" then ought it not to be used for that purpose ?
How and why you have assumed or presumed that if the land has marked for dispossed has to be used for that purpose even though lakhs of people will live without any greenery or park because the stupid statutory planning process happened hand in gloves with the builder?
3) Town Planning is a holistic multi-layer heirarchial process. Myopic interference by ignorant people is the bane of professional planners with decades of experience and all the qualifications to match.
These poetic words are devoid of any substance rather highlights your ignorance about the corruption that is happening in town planning process of Thane.
This is a member intervention cautioning you the Moderator from demoralizing members by jumping into conclusion without even knowing or appreciating facts and giving misleading suggestion .
Best Regards,
CS Arun Dash
Sent on my BlackBerry® Smart Phone
-----Original Message-----
From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
Sender: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 22:42:54
To: <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>; <mpisgplanner@yahoo.com>
Reply-To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] First Time: Need Help!
Dear Rajesh
1) Why are you trying to selfishly impose your middle class views on a
statutory planning process ?
2) If a site is shown as "land for dispossessed" then ought it not to be
used for that purpose ?
3) Town Planning is a holistic multi-layer heirarchial process. Myopic
interference by ignorant people is the bane of professional planners with
decades of experience and all the qualifications to match.
Sarbajit
On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 8:57 AM, Rajesh A. Pandey
Health Today <healthtodayindia@gmail.com> Oct 18 10:53AM +0530 ^
dear according to my experience forst you & others resident lodge the
complaint to different related authority by regestered post.and after
one week you send RTI application on this complaint, like what action
on my & other complaint regarding this encroachment.who official
responsible for stop the encrochment.what action in this matter by
responsible official.
suggestion- RTI filed on this senstive matter by 2-3 diffrent person name.
Ramesh verma
National rti Awardi
mob-09254058674
On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 8:57 AM, Rajesh A. Pandey
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