Greetings!!
For all the time I have been following this group & have been a passive member, have seen & witnessed good amount of advices, views, opinions both constructive & otherwise as well.
I am of the view that, the expertise which groups like HJ have is tremendous & should be optimally utilised for the benefit of the group & the nation at large.
My query came out of a genuine challenge that the residents of Raunak Park & Patlipadha Gaothan both are facing jointly.
Here, it would be appropriate to update you that Raunak Park is a middle-higher middle class Resicomplex & Patlipadha Gaothan is the village that is in existence for hundred of years.
Residents of Raunak Park & of the Patlipadha Gaothan's original residents are both inconvenienced by this reservation.
Primarily it is the residents of the Gaothan who have been resisting the new people from outside trying to encroach upon the land parcel.
This change was brought about keeping the builders interest in mind who may want to buy out the village & construct buildings on the same & handout low cost, free land small flats to the villagers with the money for their land. Unfortunately this has not worked out with the interested Builder due to his offer price to villagers.
But, now that the villagers are not ready to sell their land & are rebuilding their own houses using their personal funds or funds provided by Microcredit SHGs working in the area, this open land is being encroached by people from outside. We got the builder's labourer camps on the ground cleared through TMC intervention Five years back.
What we want is to clear & demark the ground for kids to have a play ground or a Nana Naani Park which can be either maintained by TMC/Apex Body/ Coordination Committee.
It is not my personal interest & fortunately I am not so economically endowed that I may want to keep the land for myself to do something in future.
My objective is to get this wrong demarcation changed to necessary demarcation & for kids & us to have an open/green ground.
If that seems to be an attempt to show my middle class approach, I would rather have more of it.
If that is my personal agenda, I would for sure pursue it.
What I would urge you is to help us by giving us advice on a way ahead legally & a town planners perspective on how can we help all these people make these amendments.
Hope I have been able to appeal to all members for help too.
Warm regards,
Rajesh A. Pandey
Thane, Maharashtra,
India.
rajeshapandey@gmail.com
# +91-9833377777
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From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
Sender: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 09:32:11 +0530
To: <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
ReplyTo: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] First Time: Need Help!
1) If you cared to research you would find that I have participated in many Urban Planning processes and ensured that my opinions have been taken into account, including by use of RTI.
2) If Mr Pandey wants to save Govt land from encroachers he does not need RTI to do so. He can very well register a FIR or inform a magistrate if he has specific information. RTI is a cowards way and is not an "alternate remedy" to address this problem. RTI is not a grievance redressal tool.
3) Mr Pandey's motives are very clear - he himself wants to encroach / usurp land meant for people disposssed to put up the very same apartment blocks he now stays in and convert it into a private.park / playground for the rich. Where will the disposses people go / stay ? India is now a SOCIALIST republic and Mr Pandey would be well advised to respect the rights of his fellow citizens.
4) Insofar as the "stupid statutory planning process" is concerned. It is the stupid citizens who fail to properly utilise their statutory options who are half the cause. Having failed to use these chances it is pointless to go whining / whingeing on forums like ours.
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5) The purpose of forums liek HJ / RTI4emp are to STRENGTHEN our members and train them to use Goivt processes properly. Govt can (and does) work if they are approached properly. It is CAs and CSs etc who have a vested interest in projecting that systems / processes are corrupt and that touts (like them) are required to get things managed.
Sarbajit
On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 3:03 AM, <csindelin@yahoo.com> wrote:
Mr. Roy have you ever visited Thane suburbs? Do you know what is a housing society?? Do you know how encroachment happens in Thane and Mumbai by unscrupulous Builders?
I am sure enough that without appreciating facts, situations and without even applying your brain you suggested the below points to Mr. Pandey to which I am answering:
Mr. Pandey is trying to save a piece of Govt. Land which is slowly being encroached by unscrupulous builders.
1) Why are you trying to selfishly impose your middle class views on a statutory planning process ?
Now how Mr. Pandey is trying to selfishly imposing his middle class views on a statutory planning process? He wants to use RTI in a larger public interest.How and why you have assumed or presumed that if the land has marked for dispossed has to be used for that purpose even though lakhs of people will live without any greenery or park because the stupid statutory planning process happened hand in gloves with the builder?
2) If a site is shown as "land for dispossessed" then ought it not to be used for that purpose ?
These poetic words are devoid of any substance rather highlights your ignorance about the corruption that is happening in town planning process of Thane.
3) Town Planning is a holistic multi-layer heirarchial process. Myopic interference by ignorant people is the bane of professional planners with decades of experience and all the qualifications to match.
This is a member intervention cautioning you the Moderator from demoralizing members by jumping into conclusion without even knowing or appreciating facts and giving misleading suggestion .
Best Regards,
CS Arun Dash
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