Dear Whoever you are,
My writing such mails nothing is achieved. In 5 years all of us have to blame ourselves. A Housde Devided Against Itself, Falls.
Instead of these petty bickerings, all of us if had at least concentrated on forcing the public authorities to disclose obligatory information as per section 4 of RTI Act 2005, the scams/corruption would have been stemmed.
Do you as a writer have information which would lead to implication of the guilty, you can file an application under RTI Act 2005 & use the provisoof section 2(j) for perusal .inspection of works, documents records to expose the guilty.
Remember, we Indians are an impervious nation to corruption by & large. That is because, for 76% of Indian population which live below poverty line earning Rs. 25 a day these do not matter as for them their survival is at stake.
For the balance 24% who have ample & to spare with about 10% super rich of which 5% mega rich, corruption is passe.
Among these 24% hardly 2% who claim by themselves as RTI Activists, including you & I may clatter the utensils but not beat drums.
Inform me what concrete result are we, the citizens of India achieve? There have been many scams in the past which have become past. This will also be.
When very fundamental Right, The Right to Information is being curtailed, what is the use of this clatter?
For 63 years, the politicians whom all of us chose to govern ourselves, regardless of political party affiliations have befooled us & this shall continue. Nothing worthwhile will result. It shall only be stray noise.
People who have daunted the establishment, who were most motivated have lost their lives just as afly enamoured by flame burning itself.
None of us have supported them in their acts by solidarity. Their loss has been to their near & dear ones whose tears none has wiped.
Regards,
WEDS
From: Movement for Accoutability to Public <milapchoraria@gmail.com>
To: INDIA RTI for empowerment <rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wed, 22 December, 2010 16:58:04
Subject: [rti4empowerment] Indian Citizenry wants to know truth about Public Loot through 2G spectrum scam in context of allegation levelled by Dr. Subramanium Swamy?
Indian Citizenry wants to know truth about Public Loot through 2G
spectrum scam in context of allegation levelled by Dr. Subramanium
Swamy?
I am reproducing some of his such allegations published in the
http://gulfnews.com/
In response to some question from Gulfnews.Com Dr. Subramanium Swamy
replied as follows:-
You've also said that if the PM resigns, it will strengthen those who
made money. Could you name them?
Sonia and DMK party chief M Karunanidhi.
You mean Raja is just a face and the real culprits are the biggies of
the DMK?
Raja got 10 per cent, Karunanidhi 30 per cent and Sonia's two sisters
have got 60 per cent of the loot.
Have you done in-depth research and investigation to make such
claims?
Yes, I've enormous access because whatever my enemies may say, one
thing is there that I've never betrayed anybody. Today, people in the
government are so fed up seeing everything happening in close range
and all this material is available with the PM.
http://gulfnews.com/news/world/india/i-saved-prime-minister-in-telecom-scandal-says-swamy-1.722635
Said Interview published in Gulfnews.Com is reproduced as follows:-
December 05 2010
I saved prime minister in telecom scandal, says Swamy
Veteran leader reveals all about scam as he accuses media and
politicians of corruption.
· By Nilima Pathak, Correspondent
· Published: 00:00 December 4, 2010
Dr Subramanian Swamy
Image Credit: Nilima Pathak/Gulf News
New Delhi: Dr Subramanian Swamy is President of Janata Party. Well-
educated and honest, he is not only courageous, but extremely blunt
and forthright in his views.
Widely known for publicly challenging and fighting against prime
ministers and chief ministers, it would do well for his political
opponents to remain on the right side of Swamy. For, his wrath can
undo governments, leave alone individuals!
Though his histrionics have earned him the reputation of being a
rabble-rouser, no one can claim to find anything incriminating against
him to charge or drag him to court.
Speaking to Gulf News in an exclusive interview, Swamy has openly
spelt out names on the telecom spectrum scam accusing both political
and media persons for being corrupt.
GULF NEWS: You seem to be treading into familiar territory with 2G
spectrum scam what with earlier taking the cudgels with Janata Dal
leader Ramakrishna Hegde and All India Anna Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam
leader Jayalalitha and several others?
SUBRAMANIAN SWAMY: This is a very serious matter. The others were for
a very different reason. Hegde was a member of my party and crafted
the impression that he was a very honest and upright man. But he was
most crooked and did all kinds of rackets. And, of course, he was
tapping telephones of his own people, including his girlfriends! A man
who pretends morality had to be exposed. Strangely, in 1988, our own
party decided to investigate the incident of telephone tapping and he
supported it thinking I wouldn't get to the bottom of it. When
trapped, he filed a defamation case against me and later withdrew,
which ended his career.
In the case of Jayalalitha, I helped her win the elections and become
the Chief Minister. I was also instrumental in providing her adequate
security after the DMK (Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam) government, which
was close to the LTTE (Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam) was
dismissed. But after winning, she began doing all the rotten things
that the DMK was doing. Whether she or her associates did, I can't
say. I questioned her and she got angry with me. In the process she
started letting loose violence against me. That's when I said to her,
'I'll teach you a lesson'. I dropped everything, sat in Tamil Nadu,
and brought her down.
Is it because of bringing down governments that you are known as a
troublemaker?
That's not true. There are also governments where I've helped. Like,
the Narasimha Rao government couldn't have survived but for me. I
created the Chandra Shekhar government, which actually initiated the
reforms even though it didn't get the credit because it did not last
very long. I helped Rajiv Gandhi survive in his worst days when
everybody abandoned him.
Just because they [the politicians] can't say I'm corrupt or
illiterate, they spread this usual propaganda that I'm a troublemaker.
The public doesn't think so. Else I wouldn't have been elected to
Parliament five times.
But haven't you kind of dragged Prime Minister Manmohan Singh to court
— something that was till now unheard of?
Yes, but I also saved him because I thought the press was getting out
of control and over-drawing the picture. I said that he sat on my
petition to permit me to prosecute telecommunications minister
Andimuthu Raja. Now, for the first time in the history of India the
Supreme Court has directed the PM to file an affidavit. This affidavit
shows that every letter of mine was marked by him for action, but his
officials told him he didn't have to. He didn't know the law and I
don't expect him to. But since Raja was forced to resign by him, I
didn't want any more sanctions and said the PM didn't need to resign.
Now they [Congress persons] were wild, because they wanted to shoot
him with their guns on my shoulder.
Who do you mean by 'they'?
Congress President Sonia Gandhi. She wants someone more pliable than
Singh. He's pliable enough, but obviously, she is not satisfied.
And who do you think could be considered more pliable?
Defence Minister A.K. Antony, if she can't bring in her son Rahul
Gandhi.
Are you getting to all this because your party is nowhere in the
picture and you wish to remain in limelight?
First of all, whether I'm doing it for this or that reason, the
question is am I speaking the truth. Is there corruption or not? It
doesn't matter what my motivation is. These are cheap diversionary
tactics, which I don't take seriously.
Why has it taken two years for the 2G spectrum scam to come to light?
That's because it took me more than one-and-a-half years to get hold
of the documents, which was not easy. I had written to the PM in 2008
and he took two years.
On what basis do you say that it could possibly be the case of the
most monumental corruption in world history?
Look at the sheer size of the amount of Rs1.76 trillion (Dh142
billion) the nation has lost. And I'm not talking about the bribe,
which itself is pretty big. The total loss, had there been an auction,
and what actually it was sold for (Rs100 billion), is huge. The bribe
is a thing that out of the gain these people have potentially made and
will make over the years. My estimate is Rs600 billion of bribe
involved.
Do you suspect the roles of some journalists and editors including
Hindustan Times columnist Vir Sanghvi and NDTV's Barkha Dutt in this
scam?
Most people are relying on corporate lobbyist Nira Radia tapes. But I
know from personal experience that journalists do a lot of hack jobs.
If wanted, they character assassinate you at the behest of the ruling
party. In my case, the media cannot say anything except that I'm a
troublemaker, which doesn't sell very well. They don't publish
anything I say unless it becomes impossible like now, because the
telecom scam has become a big issue. They've been doing it
systematically. When elections take place, many journalists come and
ask for money, saying they'll give favourable coverage in return.
In the case of Vir Sanghvi, I know he used to visit Phuket [in
Thailand ] almost every weekend and the Tamil Tigers used to finance
his trips. Because of his lifestyle, I knew he was amenable and a real
fixer. He's been writing articles depending on who's in power. As for
Barkha Dutt, she's been indiscreet and doing foolish things.
You're quoted as saying that though the PM is honest, others are not.
Who are these persons?
Yes, he is honest, but officials around him like his Principal
Secretary T.K.A. Nair and Cabinet Secretary Pulok Chatterjee are not
with him. They are all Sonia's appointees. Even if you ask for the
PM's appointment, her people decide who can and cannot see him.
You've also said that if the PM resigns, it will strengthen those who
made money. Could you name them?
Sonia and DMK party chief M Karunanidhi.
You mean Raja is just a face and the real culprits are the biggies of
the DMK?
Raja got 10 per cent, Karunanidhi 30 per cent and Sonia's two sisters
have got 60 per cent of the loot.
Have you done in-depth research and investigation to make such
claims?
Yes, I've enormous access because whatever my enemies may say, one
thing is there that I've never betrayed anybody. Today, people in the
government are so fed up seeing everything happening in close range
and all this material is available with the PM.
Why is the UPA - 2 seeing so many scams?
Earlier, the scams were related to the defence deals, where things
were difficult. Now, they have got into things within the country. And
since there are lots of players, some of them spill the beans.
You think the recent Mumbai's Adarsh housing and 2 G spectrum scams
could be inter-related?
Yes, looks like it. Lots of loans have been given, which obviously
have been used
How soon do you think all this will come out?
Raja getting an arrest warrant will happen soon and cancellation of
the licences given so far could happen within the next 2-3 months. As
far as the recovery of the money is concerned, of which there is a big
demand in the country, that will take time.
However, if the Americans, who know it all, co-operate, we can get it
because there is the UN agreement on money laundering.
Do you think the Congress will ask the Americans?
No, they won't. But I can force them to. It's only a matter of time.
They know what I can do in court. They can't buy my lawyers, because I
don't keep any! I argue cases myself.
Why is the Congress so adamant about not having a Joint Parliamentary
Committee (JPC) probe into the 2 G scam?
That's because the JPC will be free for all. And they know that I will
start advising the MPs what questions to ask.
One of the questions is about her [Sonia's] sisters having got the
money. And if the JPC calls for the intelligence people, they will
have to question her because the data is now with them.
Factfile
Dr Subramanian Swamy was born in Mylapore, Chennai on September 15,
1939.
He holds a Ph.D. in Economics from Harvard University .
He taught at Harvard for 10 years and still holds summer sessions.
Entered politics in 1970 and came into limelight for protesting
against the emergency imposed in the country in 1975.
One of the founder members of the Janata Party, he has been its
president since 1990.
Elected five times to Parliament (thrice to the Lok Sabha and twice to
the Rajya Sabha), representing Mumbai, Uttar Pradesh and Tamil Nadu.
Has been Cabinet Minister of Commerce and Law & Justice.
TRUTH SHALL ALWAYS PREVAIL
Milap Choraria https://lists.riseup.net/www/arc/RTI-TIMES
National Convenor : Movement for Accountability to Public (MAP)
http://milapchoraria.tripod.com/msp
To: INDIA RTI for empowerment <rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wed, 22 December, 2010 16:58:04
Subject: [rti4empowerment] Indian Citizenry wants to know truth about Public Loot through 2G spectrum scam in context of allegation levelled by Dr. Subramanium Swamy?
Indian Citizenry wants to know truth about Public Loot through 2G
spectrum scam in context of allegation levelled by Dr. Subramanium
Swamy?
I am reproducing some of his such allegations published in the
http://gulfnews.com/
In response to some question from Gulfnews.Com Dr. Subramanium Swamy
replied as follows:-
You've also said that if the PM resigns, it will strengthen those who
made money. Could you name them?
Sonia and DMK party chief M Karunanidhi.
You mean Raja is just a face and the real culprits are the biggies of
the DMK?
Raja got 10 per cent, Karunanidhi 30 per cent and Sonia's two sisters
have got 60 per cent of the loot.
Have you done in-depth research and investigation to make such
claims?
Yes, I've enormous access because whatever my enemies may say, one
thing is there that I've never betrayed anybody. Today, people in the
government are so fed up seeing everything happening in close range
and all this material is available with the PM.
http://gulfnews.com/news/world/india/i-saved-prime-minister-in-telecom-scandal-says-swamy-1.722635
Said Interview published in Gulfnews.Com is reproduced as follows:-
December 05 2010
I saved prime minister in telecom scandal, says Swamy
Veteran leader reveals all about scam as he accuses media and
politicians of corruption.
· By Nilima Pathak, Correspondent
· Published: 00:00 December 4, 2010
Dr Subramanian Swamy
Image Credit: Nilima Pathak/Gulf News
New Delhi: Dr Subramanian Swamy is President of Janata Party. Well-
educated and honest, he is not only courageous, but extremely blunt
and forthright in his views.
Widely known for publicly challenging and fighting against prime
ministers and chief ministers, it would do well for his political
opponents to remain on the right side of Swamy. For, his wrath can
undo governments, leave alone individuals!
Though his histrionics have earned him the reputation of being a
rabble-rouser, no one can claim to find anything incriminating against
him to charge or drag him to court.
Speaking to Gulf News in an exclusive interview, Swamy has openly
spelt out names on the telecom spectrum scam accusing both political
and media persons for being corrupt.
GULF NEWS: You seem to be treading into familiar territory with 2G
spectrum scam what with earlier taking the cudgels with Janata Dal
leader Ramakrishna Hegde and All India Anna Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam
leader Jayalalitha and several others?
SUBRAMANIAN SWAMY: This is a very serious matter. The others were for
a very different reason. Hegde was a member of my party and crafted
the impression that he was a very honest and upright man. But he was
most crooked and did all kinds of rackets. And, of course, he was
tapping telephones of his own people, including his girlfriends! A man
who pretends morality had to be exposed. Strangely, in 1988, our own
party decided to investigate the incident of telephone tapping and he
supported it thinking I wouldn't get to the bottom of it. When
trapped, he filed a defamation case against me and later withdrew,
which ended his career.
In the case of Jayalalitha, I helped her win the elections and become
the Chief Minister. I was also instrumental in providing her adequate
security after the DMK (Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam) government, which
was close to the LTTE (Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam) was
dismissed. But after winning, she began doing all the rotten things
that the DMK was doing. Whether she or her associates did, I can't
say. I questioned her and she got angry with me. In the process she
started letting loose violence against me. That's when I said to her,
'I'll teach you a lesson'. I dropped everything, sat in Tamil Nadu,
and brought her down.
Is it because of bringing down governments that you are known as a
troublemaker?
That's not true. There are also governments where I've helped. Like,
the Narasimha Rao government couldn't have survived but for me. I
created the Chandra Shekhar government, which actually initiated the
reforms even though it didn't get the credit because it did not last
very long. I helped Rajiv Gandhi survive in his worst days when
everybody abandoned him.
Just because they [the politicians] can't say I'm corrupt or
illiterate, they spread this usual propaganda that I'm a troublemaker.
The public doesn't think so. Else I wouldn't have been elected to
Parliament five times.
But haven't you kind of dragged Prime Minister Manmohan Singh to court
— something that was till now unheard of?
Yes, but I also saved him because I thought the press was getting out
of control and over-drawing the picture. I said that he sat on my
petition to permit me to prosecute telecommunications minister
Andimuthu Raja. Now, for the first time in the history of India the
Supreme Court has directed the PM to file an affidavit. This affidavit
shows that every letter of mine was marked by him for action, but his
officials told him he didn't have to. He didn't know the law and I
don't expect him to. But since Raja was forced to resign by him, I
didn't want any more sanctions and said the PM didn't need to resign.
Now they [Congress persons] were wild, because they wanted to shoot
him with their guns on my shoulder.
Who do you mean by 'they'?
Congress President Sonia Gandhi. She wants someone more pliable than
Singh. He's pliable enough, but obviously, she is not satisfied.
And who do you think could be considered more pliable?
Defence Minister A.K. Antony, if she can't bring in her son Rahul
Gandhi.
Are you getting to all this because your party is nowhere in the
picture and you wish to remain in limelight?
First of all, whether I'm doing it for this or that reason, the
question is am I speaking the truth. Is there corruption or not? It
doesn't matter what my motivation is. These are cheap diversionary
tactics, which I don't take seriously.
Why has it taken two years for the 2G spectrum scam to come to light?
That's because it took me more than one-and-a-half years to get hold
of the documents, which was not easy. I had written to the PM in 2008
and he took two years.
On what basis do you say that it could possibly be the case of the
most monumental corruption in world history?
Look at the sheer size of the amount of Rs1.76 trillion (Dh142
billion) the nation has lost. And I'm not talking about the bribe,
which itself is pretty big. The total loss, had there been an auction,
and what actually it was sold for (Rs100 billion), is huge. The bribe
is a thing that out of the gain these people have potentially made and
will make over the years. My estimate is Rs600 billion of bribe
involved.
Do you suspect the roles of some journalists and editors including
Hindustan Times columnist Vir Sanghvi and NDTV's Barkha Dutt in this
scam?
Most people are relying on corporate lobbyist Nira Radia tapes. But I
know from personal experience that journalists do a lot of hack jobs.
If wanted, they character assassinate you at the behest of the ruling
party. In my case, the media cannot say anything except that I'm a
troublemaker, which doesn't sell very well. They don't publish
anything I say unless it becomes impossible like now, because the
telecom scam has become a big issue. They've been doing it
systematically. When elections take place, many journalists come and
ask for money, saying they'll give favourable coverage in return.
In the case of Vir Sanghvi, I know he used to visit Phuket [in
Thailand ] almost every weekend and the Tamil Tigers used to finance
his trips. Because of his lifestyle, I knew he was amenable and a real
fixer. He's been writing articles depending on who's in power. As for
Barkha Dutt, she's been indiscreet and doing foolish things.
You're quoted as saying that though the PM is honest, others are not.
Who are these persons?
Yes, he is honest, but officials around him like his Principal
Secretary T.K.A. Nair and Cabinet Secretary Pulok Chatterjee are not
with him. They are all Sonia's appointees. Even if you ask for the
PM's appointment, her people decide who can and cannot see him.
You've also said that if the PM resigns, it will strengthen those who
made money. Could you name them?
Sonia and DMK party chief M Karunanidhi.
You mean Raja is just a face and the real culprits are the biggies of
the DMK?
Raja got 10 per cent, Karunanidhi 30 per cent and Sonia's two sisters
have got 60 per cent of the loot.
Have you done in-depth research and investigation to make such
claims?
Yes, I've enormous access because whatever my enemies may say, one
thing is there that I've never betrayed anybody. Today, people in the
government are so fed up seeing everything happening in close range
and all this material is available with the PM.
Why is the UPA - 2 seeing so many scams?
Earlier, the scams were related to the defence deals, where things
were difficult. Now, they have got into things within the country. And
since there are lots of players, some of them spill the beans.
You think the recent Mumbai's Adarsh housing and 2 G spectrum scams
could be inter-related?
Yes, looks like it. Lots of loans have been given, which obviously
have been used
How soon do you think all this will come out?
Raja getting an arrest warrant will happen soon and cancellation of
the licences given so far could happen within the next 2-3 months. As
far as the recovery of the money is concerned, of which there is a big
demand in the country, that will take time.
However, if the Americans, who know it all, co-operate, we can get it
because there is the UN agreement on money laundering.
Do you think the Congress will ask the Americans?
No, they won't. But I can force them to. It's only a matter of time.
They know what I can do in court. They can't buy my lawyers, because I
don't keep any! I argue cases myself.
Why is the Congress so adamant about not having a Joint Parliamentary
Committee (JPC) probe into the 2 G scam?
That's because the JPC will be free for all. And they know that I will
start advising the MPs what questions to ask.
One of the questions is about her [Sonia's] sisters having got the
money. And if the JPC calls for the intelligence people, they will
have to question her because the data is now with them.
Factfile
Dr Subramanian Swamy was born in Mylapore, Chennai on September 15,
1939.
He holds a Ph.D. in Economics from Harvard University .
He taught at Harvard for 10 years and still holds summer sessions.
Entered politics in 1970 and came into limelight for protesting
against the emergency imposed in the country in 1975.
One of the founder members of the Janata Party, he has been its
president since 1990.
Elected five times to Parliament (thrice to the Lok Sabha and twice to
the Rajya Sabha), representing Mumbai, Uttar Pradesh and Tamil Nadu.
Has been Cabinet Minister of Commerce and Law & Justice.
TRUTH SHALL ALWAYS PREVAIL
Milap Choraria https://lists.riseup.net/www/arc/RTI-TIMES
National Convenor : Movement for Accountability to Public (MAP)
http://milapchoraria.tripod.com/msp
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