Re: [HumJanenge] Re: [rti_india] My Article on Ms Arundhati Roy in today's Pioneer

Mr Moderator of the Group

Group moderator should able to stop the abusive language like Mr Sharma`s. If you are unable please unsubscribe me too with immediate effect.

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Subhash Lomte

On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 5:02 PM, Gopalkrishnan iyer <iyer_ga@yahoo.com> wrote:

To me it appears all together different. Kashmir problem is a tool used by both by Indian and Pakistani politicians as a tool to meet their ends to hoodwink 'innocent' people of these contries. And the itch is over 60 years old, have become chronic by now , the two sides cannot dispense with this much needed problem !! In both contries  millions are wriggling under accute poverty with no one( particularly those supposed to)appearing to care for!  If we consider human is one let us moot a world body like UN to monitor both countries, give each a task to eliminate poverty in their respective country. Who ever eliminate poverty in their country, if Pakistan eliminates poverty first they deserve Jammu and Kashmi, and if India eliminate poverty first J & K should go to India. In other words eliminating poverty from the globe is of prime importance than any other issue !! At the same time the jobless politicians, bureaucrats and the powers that be would have some  meaningful job to do rather than hammerring the wedge further down increasing the divide !  Even the enemies would like to compromise any demand for PEACE   --- On Sat, 6/11/10, Mahendra Kumar Gupta <mkgupta1952@gmail.com> wrote: From: Mahendra Kumar Gupta <mkgupta1952@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Re: [rti_india] My Article on Ms Arundhati Roy in today's Pioneer To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com Date: Saturday, 6 November, 2010, 12:59 PM I took exception to Mr. S D Sharma's ugly remarks and he has no right to absuse anybody.   This has rightly evoked sharp reaction from Mr. Irfan. I request to refrain from putting such objetin mails on the blog or discontinue my membership.   Due to such thinking, our Kashmiri brothers and sisters have develop the feeling about the country.  How can u win the hearst of the people of Kashmiris by such thoughts.  Mr. Sharma should apologize. On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 12:51 PM, S.D. Sharma <anonsharma@yahoo.com> wrote: Dear patwardhan Some IPS has written in newspaper that Arundhti Roy should be hanged for saying Kashmir is not integral part of India is histrorical fact. Roy is 110% correct, Kashmir is a part of J&K state and State of Jammu and Kashmir is integral part of india till either union if India is unable to retain it or both parties dissolve agreement.  whereas lawful govt of India is clear, there is no clarity on who lawful govt of "Kashmir" is. Solutions for India are simple inside Constition of India. 1) Promote resettlement of army personnel / retired in Jammu and Ladakh 2) reverse population imbalance caused by ethnic cleansing. 3) Impelemnt family planning striclty in muslim dominated areas of kashmir 4) reclaim POK by military force. 5) bann all religious prayer meetings thoughout J&K 6) repeal RTI Act in J&K 7) withdraw Army and CRPF from civilian areas of kashmir. It is policing problem let JK police sort it. If state govt machinerry cannot solve problem, sack abdullahs and put governors rule. S D Sharma On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 11:56 PM, Sujit Patwardhan <SujitJP@gmail.com> wrote: I think Irfan Khan did not realise that perhaps Mr S.D Sharma was being sarcastic. If you see his earlier email in this thread it appears that his second email is commenting sarcastically. -- On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 12:09 PM, irfan khan <rtirti.khan@gmail.com> wrote: Dear sharma .   this shows how uneducated and un civilised you are .   I pray to Allah that he may send indian army to your area and let the army rape your wife and daughters . I am praying this because you do not have any objection to this .     as far as 4 wifes of muslims is concerned .Just read following.     Hema malini is second wife of Dharmendra . If you follow Hindu marriage act Hema cannot be "Wife " since Hindu marriage act do not allow second wife .   this means Hema is Rakhel" of Dharmendra and Isha Deol is his "Bastard child "   However if u follow Islamic law . Hema malini is legal WIFE and Ish Deol is his legal daughter .   Islam is giving status of WIFE to hema wheras Hindu law is giving her status of RAKHEL . now tell me which law is giving hema respect ?????   Islam permits more than one wife to stop extra marital affairs . Extra marital affairs give status of RAKHEL to women . islam say . if you love her , marry her and give full honour and status . Dont treat her like RAKHEL.     On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 11:12 AM, S.D. Sharma <anonsharma@yahoo.com> wrote: You are talking like wazahat sahib. approach you are suggesting has not worked for over 60 yaers. India must pull out its troops to jammu, use neutron bomb and solve problem finally. Kashmiri youth are asking to be killed, why are they throwing stones and bombs. Rape is effective mean for army to control and dominate. Indian soldiers spend many months away from wive and family. since no local brothels and too many rti queries then raping local girls is best low cost solution Also it is scientific fact that 1 muslim man cannot satisfy 4 wives so where is harm if Indian army helps local poplation. S D Sharma On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 10:22 PM, Abhimanyu <who.will.file.rti@gmail.com> wrote: The easiest way to solve kashmir problem is to WIN OVER the hearts and minds of the kashmiris ..   this cannot be done through raping kashmiri gilrs and killing kashmiri youth.The history is evident that we failed to win kashmir through raping and killing .   now lets try to win over kashmir through attemps made to win over hearts and minds of kashmiris.      On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 10:28 AM, S.D. Sharma <anonsharma@yahoo.com> wrote: Dear Mr You are 110% correct that there is diference of opinion. ms Rundhati Roy is 110% correct that Kashmir is not integral part of India and this is historical fact. Kashmir enjoys special status under India's Constition under the accession of Maharaja to India. India is a federation of states, each state negotiates its union with India. kashmir negotiated its accession to India. Unilaterally the agreement cannot be changed by one side unless through the force of arms. If India has Imperialist ambistions then the proper thing to do is it use our neutron bomb and peacefully eliminate all Muslims in Kashmri since there are only about 4.000. pandits left in Kashmir who would gladly become martyrs to final solution of kashmir problem S D Sharma On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 3:46 AM, Amitabh Thakur <amitabhth@yahoo.com> wrote:   Friends, My Article in today's Pioneer presenting my views on the case related with Ms Arundhati Roy, Mr Geelani etc. There would certainly be difference on opinion on this but I personally stick to the opinion presented by me here. http://epaper.dailypioneer.com/THEPIONEER/PIONEER/2010/11/04/ArticleHtmls/04_11_2010_009_030.shtml?Mode=1 As an alternative link- http://epaper.dailypioneer.com/Thepioneer/Pioneer/2010/11/04/index.shtml Amitabh Thakur IPS, Currently at IIM Lucknow # 94155-34526