Re: [HumJanenge] Re: IMPORTANT SPECIAL NOTICE

Sir

Equally off-topic and unscientifically, India's problems must be solved
firmly by the following URGENT measures.

1) Enforcement of Family Planning to reduce population by 5% year
on year on national level, 10% year on year in "Bimaru" states.

2) Compulsory military service for both sexes between age 18 to 21.

3) Right to bear arms should be a Fundamental Right to anyone who has
served in military for 3 years or more.

4) Government should not be allowed to "print" money to pay for social
service spending.

5) Once competent court awards death penalty, it must be executed
within 1 year or offender be set free.

PMK

On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 9:59 PM, Col NR Kurup <colnrkurup@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear friends,
>
> Neither I studied political science nor femiliar with the style of
> functioning of various democracies of the world. As a solider
> vis-a-vis apolitical cityzen of India following style of functioning
> of our democracy irks me and often turn me rebellious:
>
> 1. Various political parties contest elections with their nominees and
> the party with the maximum number gain power. There ends the cityzens
> participation in democracy.
>
> 2. Thereafter political party head who has given tickets to the
> elected member dictate terms. It is he/she who decide who should be
> the Prime Minister, Chief Minister and Ministers. Such nominated
> Prime Minister or Chief Minister or Ministers need not be an elected
> representative of the people. With the newly gained power, the
> nominated Ministers can easily manipulate to get himself elected from
> a constituency to fulfill the legal requirement.
>
> 3. It is the leader of the Party who decide who should be our
> President, Chiefs of all Commissions etc., etc.,
>
> 4. As per the book. the PM or CM is elected by members of the Houses.
> But what we have been seeing is that it is left to the head of the
> majority political party to decide who should be made PM or CM
>
> The story is too long. This is just my view
>
> Col NR Kurup
>
> On 11/11/2010, sroy1947 <sroy1947@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Dear WEDS / GopKris
>>
>> GK: The judiciary is included within the "State", it is not included
>> within "Government":
>>
>> WEDS: Your bookish knowledge is riddled with fallacies and
>> assumptions. Here is what the one of world's longest reigning Head of
>> State has to say.
>>
>> "Parliaments are the backbone of that conventional democracy
>> prevailing in the world today. Parliament is a misrepresentation of
>> the people, and parliamentary systems are a false solution to the
>> problem of democracy. A parliament is originally founded to represent
>> the people, but this in itself is undemocratic as democracy means the
>> authority of the people and not an authority acting on their behalf.
>> The mere existence of a parliament means the absence of the people."
>>
>> "The masses are completely isolated from the representative and he, in
>> turn, is totally removed from them. Immediately after winning the
>> electors' votes the representative takes over the people's sovereignty
>> and acts on their behalf. The prevailing traditional democracy endows
>> the member of parliament with a sacredness and immunity which are
>> denied to the rest of the people. Parliaments, therefore, have become
>> a means of plundering and usurping the authority of the people.I"
>>
>> "If parliament is formed from one party as a result of its winning an
>> election, it becomes a parliament of the winning party and not of the
>> people. It represents the party and not the people, and the executive
>> power of the parliament becomes that of the victorious party and not
>> of the people."
>>
>> "Under such systems, the people are the victims whose votes are vied
>> for by exploitative competing factions who dupe the people into
>> political circuses that are outwardly noisy and frantic, but inwardly
>> powerless and irrelevant. Alternatively, the people are seduced into
>> standing in long, apathetic, silent queues to cast their ballots in
>> the same way that they throw waste paper into dustbins. Thus it is
>> clear that representation is a fraud."
>>
>> "Originally, the party is formed ostensibly to represent the people.
>> Subsequently, the party leadership becomes representative of the
>> membership, and the leader represents the party elite. It becomes
>> clear that this partisan game is a deceitful farce based on a false
>> form of democracy. It has a selfish authoritarian character based on
>> maneuvres, intrigues and political games. This confirms the fact that
>> the party system is a modern instrument of dictatorship. The party
>> system is an outright, unconvincing dictatorship, one which the world
>> has not yet surpassed. It is, in fact, the dictatorship of the modern
>> age.
>>
>> The parliament of the winning party is indeed a parliament of the
>> party, for the executive power formed by this parliament is the power
>> of the party over the people. Party power, which is supposedly for the
>> good of the whole people, is actually the arch-enemy of a fraction of
>> the people, namely, the opposition party or parties and their
>> supporters. The opposition is, therefore, not a popular check on the
>> ruling party but, rather, is itself opportunistically seeking to
>> replace the ruling party."
>>
>> "The purpose of forming a party is to create an instrument to rule the
>> people, i.e., to rule over non-members of the party. The party is,
>> fundamentally, based on an arbitrary authoritarian concept - the
>> domination of the members of the party over the rest of the people"
>>
>> Sarbajit
>>
>> On Nov 11, 2:56 am, Gopala krishnan <kgg...@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
>>> Thank you for the informative post but serial numbers 11 twice over are
>>> wrong.
>>> Judiciary is not State.
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: DSouza Wilberious Evanglist <wileva...@yahoo.co.uk>
>>> To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
>>> Sent: Wed, 10 November, 2010 8:34:05 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] IMPORTANT SPECIAL NOTICE
>>>
>>> Dear Roy,
>>>
>>> 1. The Constitution of India declares India as Secular Democratic
>>> Republic.
>>>
>>> 2. The Constitution of India is a Supreme Compendium that oversees every
>>> aspect
>>> of Democracy.
>>>
>>> 3. In Democracy, the Government is defined as A GOVERNMENT BY A PEOPLE OF
>>> THE
>>> PEOPLE & FOR THE PEOPLE.
>>>
>>> 4. People are Supreme & not the Government in a Democracy, as the
>>> Government is
>>> installed by the people to govern themselves.
>>>
>>> 5. The Government is formed by the Elected Representatives of People
>>> holding
>>> majority of like political ideology holders for, in a Democracy all the
>>> people
>>> cannot rule all the people. Hence, this system.
>>>
>>> 6. The body of elected representatives form Parliament (Meaning platform
>>> to
>>> speak) for the people; as all the people cannot speak for all the people.
>>> "Parlare" meaning to speak.
>>>
>>> 7. The Parliament consists of two houses a. The House of People b. Council
>>> of
>>> states.
>>>
>>> 8. The House of People consists of elected representatives of People.
>>>
>>> 9. The Council of states consists of secondary representatives of people
>>> i.e.
>>> representatives of peoples' representatives.
>>>
>>> 10.Parliament enacts laws which is construed & deemed as De Facto reflects
>>> the
>>> will of People.
>>>
>>> 11. Parliament has superintendence over The State i.e.Legislature,
>>> Executive &
>>> The Judiciary. (Including all Courts, Supreme Court & High Courts too)
>>>
>>> 11 The State is defined in Art. 12 includes, Legislature, Executive & The
>>> Judiciary.
>>>
>>> 12. Will of the people reigns supreme on the State (with State as defined
>>> in
>>> Art. 12 of the Constitution of India)
>>>
>>> 13. Hence, all persons in the Government right from President to the
>>> lowest
>>> functionary in a village panchayat including judges & all functionaries in
>>> the
>>> Judiciary are public servants. i.e servants of People & that is Democracy.
>>> Read
>>> section 21 of IPC 1860 The Prevention of Corruption Act 1988 & whereever
>>> Lokayukta Act whereever that exists.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> WEDS
>>>
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