Re: [HumJanenge] Re: IMPORTANT SPECIAL NOTICE

Dear friends,

Neither I studied political science nor femiliar with the style of
functioning of various democracies of the world. As a solider
vis-a-vis apolitical cityzen of India following style of functioning
of our democracy irks me and often turn me rebellious:

1. Various political parties contest elections with their nominees and
the party with the maximum number gain power. There ends the cityzens
participation in democracy.

2. Thereafter political party head who has given tickets to the
elected member dictate terms. It is he/she who decide who should be
the Prime Minister, Chief Minister and Ministers. Such nominated
Prime Minister or Chief Minister or Ministers need not be an elected
representative of the people. With the newly gained power, the
nominated Ministers can easily manipulate to get himself elected from
a constituency to fulfill the legal requirement.

3. It is the leader of the Party who decide who should be our
President, Chiefs of all Commissions etc., etc.,

4. As per the book. the PM or CM is elected by members of the Houses.
But what we have been seeing is that it is left to the head of the
majority political party to decide who should be made PM or CM

The story is too long. This is just my view

Col NR Kurup

On 11/11/2010, sroy1947 <sroy1947@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear WEDS / GopKris
>
> GK: The judiciary is included within the "State", it is not included
> within "Government":
>
> WEDS: Your bookish knowledge is riddled with fallacies and
> assumptions. Here is what the one of world's longest reigning Head of
> State has to say.
>
> "Parliaments are the backbone of that conventional democracy
> prevailing in the world today. Parliament is a misrepresentation of
> the people, and parliamentary systems are a false solution to the
> problem of democracy. A parliament is originally founded to represent
> the people, but this in itself is undemocratic as democracy means the
> authority of the people and not an authority acting on their behalf.
> The mere existence of a parliament means the absence of the people."
>
> "The masses are completely isolated from the representative and he, in
> turn, is totally removed from them. Immediately after winning the
> electors' votes the representative takes over the people's sovereignty
> and acts on their behalf. The prevailing traditional democracy endows
> the member of parliament with a sacredness and immunity which are
> denied to the rest of the people. Parliaments, therefore, have become
> a means of plundering and usurping the authority of the people.I"
>
> "If parliament is formed from one party as a result of its winning an
> election, it becomes a parliament of the winning party and not of the
> people. It represents the party and not the people, and the executive
> power of the parliament becomes that of the victorious party and not
> of the people."
>
> "Under such systems, the people are the victims whose votes are vied
> for by exploitative competing factions who dupe the people into
> political circuses that are outwardly noisy and frantic, but inwardly
> powerless and irrelevant. Alternatively, the people are seduced into
> standing in long, apathetic, silent queues to cast their ballots in
> the same way that they throw waste paper into dustbins. Thus it is
> clear that representation is a fraud."
>
> "Originally, the party is formed ostensibly to represent the people.
> Subsequently, the party leadership becomes representative of the
> membership, and the leader represents the party elite. It becomes
> clear that this partisan game is a deceitful farce based on a false
> form of democracy. It has a selfish authoritarian character based on
> maneuvres, intrigues and political games. This confirms the fact that
> the party system is a modern instrument of dictatorship. The party
> system is an outright, unconvincing dictatorship, one which the world
> has not yet surpassed. It is, in fact, the dictatorship of the modern
> age.
>
> The parliament of the winning party is indeed a parliament of the
> party, for the executive power formed by this parliament is the power
> of the party over the people. Party power, which is supposedly for the
> good of the whole people, is actually the arch-enemy of a fraction of
> the people, namely, the opposition party or parties and their
> supporters. The opposition is, therefore, not a popular check on the
> ruling party but, rather, is itself opportunistically seeking to
> replace the ruling party."
>
> "The purpose of forming a party is to create an instrument to rule the
> people, i.e., to rule over non-members of the party. The party is,
> fundamentally, based on an arbitrary authoritarian concept - the
> domination of the members of the party over the rest of the people"
>
> Sarbajit
>
> On Nov 11, 2:56 am, Gopala krishnan <kgg...@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
>> Thank you for the informative post but serial numbers 11 twice over are
>> wrong.
>> Judiciary is not State.
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: DSouza Wilberious Evanglist <wileva...@yahoo.co.uk>
>> To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Wed, 10 November, 2010 8:34:05 PM
>> Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] IMPORTANT SPECIAL NOTICE
>>
>> Dear Roy,
>>
>> 1. The Constitution of India declares India as Secular Democratic
>> Republic.
>>
>> 2. The Constitution of India is a Supreme Compendium that oversees every
>> aspect
>> of Democracy.
>>
>> 3. In Democracy, the Government is defined as A GOVERNMENT BY A PEOPLE OF
>> THE
>> PEOPLE & FOR THE PEOPLE.
>>
>> 4. People are Supreme & not the Government in a Democracy, as the
>> Government is
>> installed by the people to govern themselves.
>>
>> 5. The Government is formed by the Elected Representatives of People
>> holding
>> majority of like political ideology holders for, in a Democracy all the
>> people
>> cannot rule all the people. Hence, this system.
>>
>> 6. The body of elected representatives form Parliament (Meaning platform
>> to
>> speak) for the people; as all the people cannot speak for all the people.
>> "Parlare" meaning to speak.
>>
>> 7. The Parliament consists of two houses a. The House of People b. Council
>> of
>> states.
>>
>> 8. The House of People consists of elected representatives of People.
>>
>> 9. The Council of states consists of secondary representatives of people
>> i.e.
>> representatives of peoples' representatives.
>>
>> 10.Parliament enacts laws which is construed & deemed as De Facto reflects
>> the
>> will of People.
>>
>> 11. Parliament has superintendence over The State i.e.Legislature,
>> Executive &
>> The Judiciary. (Including all Courts, Supreme Court & High Courts too)
>>
>> 11 The State is defined in Art. 12 includes, Legislature, Executive & The
>> Judiciary.
>>
>> 12. Will of the people reigns supreme on the State (with State as defined
>> in
>> Art. 12 of the Constitution of India)
>>
>> 13. Hence, all persons in the Government right from President to the
>> lowest
>> functionary in a village panchayat including judges & all functionaries in
>> the
>> Judiciary are public servants. i.e servants of People & that is Democracy.
>> Read
>> section 21 of IPC 1860 The Prevention of Corruption Act 1988 & whereever
>> Lokayukta Act whereever that exists.
>>
>> Regards,
>> WEDS
>>