Re: [HumJanenge] Re: IMPORTANT SPECIAL NOTICE

Dear Roy,

 

I do concur with you cent per cent on your observations in the current manifestation of Democracy. I observed as I observed from what essentially Democracy is & should be.

 

Literacy & enlightenment of people in Democracy is essential as people should be watchful  & vigilent in a Democracy. Otherwise, it will be like mice scamper when cat is asleep.

 

I am reminded of  what jocularly is remarked as,

 

IN PRAJA PRABHUTV, WHEN ONE PRAJE BECOMES PRABHU; THAT PRAJE CEASES TO BE PRAJE & REIGNS AS PRABHU ON REST OF THE PRAJA.

 

This what Iqbal the Urdu poet aptly state,

 

JAMBOORIYAT WOH TARZ E HUKUMAT HAI; JIS MEIN INSAAN KO GINA JAATAA HAI MAGAR TOALAA NAHIN JAATAA.

 

Meaning;

 

DEMOCRACY IS THAT FORM OF GOVERNMENT WHEREBY  PEOPLE ARE COUNTED BY THEIR HEADS & NOT ASSESSED FOR THEIR CAPABILITIES;

 

IF THERE ARE 10 IDIOTS AGAINST ONE WISE; IDIOTS WILL PREVAIL OVER WISE BY SIMPLE MAJORITY.

 

With 76% of indian population is stated to subsist by earning  Rs.25 per day, I am poignantly aware that this discussion is a previlege of  few as we both are & is meaningless to those 76%.

 

I am also aware We, as two or many other as we are, can singly can do nothing & decide in a meeting together that nothing can be done.

 

I am aware that Judiciary is a part of state but not Government by the premise of independence of Judiciary. However, my indication was independence of Judiciary  does not connote & not to be construed as immunity of Judges & absence of accountability of judges to the people for their acts & ommissions.

 

Thank you very much & with warm regards,

WEDS

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From: sroy1947 <sroy1947@gmail.com>
To: HumJanenge RTI India Right to Information Act 2005 <HumJanenge@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Thu, 11 November, 2010 7:15:50
Subject: [HumJanenge] Re: IMPORTANT SPECIAL NOTICE

Dear WEDS / GopKris

GK: The judiciary is included within the "State", it is not included
within "Government":

WEDS: Your bookish knowledge is riddled with fallacies and
assumptions. Here is what the one of world's longest reigning Head of
State has to say.

"Parliaments are the backbone of that conventional democracy
prevailing in the world today. Parliament is a misrepresentation of
the people, and parliamentary systems are a false solution to the
problem of democracy. A parliament is originally founded to represent
the people, but this in itself is undemocratic as democracy means the
authority of the people and not an authority acting on their behalf.
The mere existence of a parliament means the absence of the people."

"The masses are completely isolated from the representative and he, in
turn, is totally removed from them. Immediately after winning the
electors' votes the representative takes over the people's sovereignty
and acts on their behalf. The prevailing traditional democracy endows
the member of parliament with a sacredness and immunity which are
denied to the rest of the people. Parliaments, therefore, have become
a means of plundering and usurping the authority of the people.I"

"If parliament is formed from one party as a result of its winning an
election, it becomes a parliament of the winning party and not of the
people. It represents the party and not the people, and the executive
power of the parliament becomes that of the victorious party and not
of the people."

"Under such systems, the people are the victims whose votes are vied
for by exploitative competing factions who dupe the people into
political circuses that are outwardly noisy and frantic, but inwardly
powerless and irrelevant. Alternatively, the people are seduced into
standing in long, apathetic, silent queues to cast their ballots in
the same way that they throw waste paper into dustbins. Thus it is
clear that representation is a fraud."

"Originally, the party is formed ostensibly to represent the people.
Subsequently, the party leadership becomes representative of the
membership, and the leader represents the party elite. It becomes
clear that this partisan game is a deceitful farce based on a false
form of democracy. It has a selfish authoritarian character based on
maneuvres, intrigues and political games. This confirms the fact that
the party system is a modern instrument of dictatorship. The party
system is an outright, unconvincing dictatorship, one which the world
has not yet surpassed. It is, in fact, the dictatorship of the modern
age.

The parliament of the winning party is indeed a parliament of the
party, for the executive power formed by this parliament is the power
of the party over the people. Party power, which is supposedly for the
good of the whole people, is actually the arch-enemy of a fraction of
the people, namely, the opposition party or parties and their
supporters. The opposition is, therefore, not a popular check on the
ruling party but, rather, is itself opportunistically seeking to
replace the ruling party."

"The purpose of forming a party is to create an instrument to rule the
people, i.e., to rule over non-members of the party. The party is,
fundamentally, based on an arbitrary authoritarian concept - the
domination of the members of the party over the rest of the people"

Sarbajit

On Nov 11, 2:56 am, Gopala krishnan <kgg...@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
> Thank you for the informative post but serial numbers 11 twice over are wrong.
> Judiciary is not State.
>
> ________________________________
> From: DSouza Wilberious Evanglist <wileva...@yahoo.co.uk>
> To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Wed, 10 November, 2010 8:34:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] IMPORTANT SPECIAL NOTICE
>
> Dear Roy,
>
> 1. The Constitution of India declares India as Secular Democratic Republic.
>
> 2. The Constitution of India is a Supreme Compendium that oversees every aspect
> of Democracy.
>
> 3. In Democracy, the Government is defined as A GOVERNMENT BY A PEOPLE OF THE
> PEOPLE & FOR THE PEOPLE.
>
> 4. People are Supreme & not the Government in a Democracy, as the Government is
> installed by the people to govern themselves.
>
> 5. The Government is formed by the Elected Representatives of People holding
> majority of like political ideology holders for, in a Democracy all the people
> cannot rule all the people. Hence, this system.
>
> 6. The body of elected representatives form Parliament (Meaning platform to
> speak) for the people; as all the people cannot speak for all the people.
> "Parlare"  meaning to speak.
>
> 7. The Parliament consists of two houses a. The House of People b. Council of
> states.
>
> 8. The House of People consists of elected representatives of People.
>
> 9.  The Council of states consists of secondary representatives of people i.e.
> representatives of  peoples' representatives.
>
> 10.Parliament enacts laws which is construed & deemed as De Facto reflects the
> will of People.
>
> 11. Parliament has superintendence over The State i.e.Legislature, Executive &
> The Judiciary. (Including all Courts, Supreme Court & High Courts too)
>
> 11 The State is defined in Art. 12 includes, Legislature, Executive & The
> Judiciary.
>
> 12. Will of the people reigns supreme on the State (with State as defined in
> Art. 12 of the Constitution of India)
>
> 13. Hence, all persons in the Government right from President to the lowest
> functionary in a village panchayat including judges & all functionaries in the
> Judiciary are public servants. i.e servants of People & that is Democracy. Read
> section 21 of IPC 1860 The Prevention of Corruption Act 1988 & whereever
> Lokayukta Act  whereever that exists.
>
> Regards,
> WEDS
>