Re: [HumJanenge] Re: CIC minutes of meeting

Dear Sh Gupta

I agree that expulsion of Sh Kris Dev was painful.

What made it painful to me personally was that the Regulations have
been well circulated / publicised, and it was made clear to all members
that they would be strictly enforced without discrimination.

Mr Sarbjit had pointed out certain violations by Sh Kris Dev. It was
expected that Sh Dev would pay attention. When he repeated the
infraction, there is no option left to me but to expel him.

Conversely, if you feel that Mr Sarbjit has violated this group's Regulations,
please inform the specifics so that we may examine it and take suitable
action.

I also don't see anyone here being deeply "pained" by the action I
had taken against Mr S D Sharma (anonsharma) for certain
inappropriate remarks. I could always restore his posting privileges
if you want to receive more message posts from members like him.

PMK

On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 11:24 PM, Mahendra Kumar Gupta
<mkgupta1952@gmail.com> wrote:
> Expulsion of Mr. Kris Dev is painful. This blog has become the tv
> serioal big boss where members are seen fighting among themselves most of
> the time..
>
> If former Chief IC Mr. Wajahat Habibullah is compelled to make
> adverse comments twice viz. 'rude' and 'entertainer', it has some meaning.
> We r civilised persons and want to deal with others in that manner. My vote
> for civll and gentle language and not for intemperate.
>
> Now, this group is serving the interest of public and RTI less and has
> become a battle field more. I give call for social boycott of (no need to
> mention name as everyboyd knows him) if his tantrums continues.
>
> I also request you to expel me from this group as my request for unsubscribe
> has fallen on deaf ears. .
>
> On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 10:31 PM, <nct.lko@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Dear PMK,
>>
>> Refer your letter expelling Kris. I request you to please expel me too
>> instantly since I am no good to you,your network or The great cause of RTI
>> (because I am incapable of using abusive language and passing derogatory
>> remarks against anybody and everybody to attract attention) and also
>> because I do not wish to trouble you to invent a clause to expel me.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Naveen tewari
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: PMK1504 <humjanenge.owner@gmail.com>
>> Sender: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
>> Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 20:08:23
>> To: <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
>> Reply-To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Re: CIC minutes of meeting
>>
>> Dear Sh Kris Dev and other members
>>
>> The Regulations of this group are crystal clear and are applied
>> uniformly without exception.
>>
>> Prime among them is that the list owner is empowered to take all steps
>> to control the quantity and quality of email emanating from this
>> group. In particular "abusive language" is not tolerated and neither
>> is self publicity.
>>
>> If any member, including Sarbjit, steps out of line they will expelled
>> without notice. I am therefore required to expel Sh Kris Dev for
>> persistently publicising himself and circulating his mobile number on
>> this group.
>>
>> We are also considering adding a fresh regulation to deal with fake
>> news / information being circulated via groups.
>>
>> PMK
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 7:22 PM, Kris Dev <krisdev@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Dear all,
>> >
>> > I tend to agree with Naveen. We need to be professional. We should shoot
>> > the
>> > message and not the messenger. I for one has been following this in all
>> > discussions. I have dealt in the past with Mr. Prakash Kardaley and
>> > others
>> > on this principle.
>> >
>> > Using uncivil or fowl language is not in the best interest of such a
>> > respectable group, irrespective of who are the founders / moderators /
>> > members. Ultimately it is the present members who have to decide on
>> > civility
>> > or else quit with no other option left as rightly stated by Naveen.
>> >
>> > I propose to put to vote:
>> >
>> > A. How many would like to see / read, civil language / communication in
>> > this
>> > site?
>> >
>> > B. How many would like to see / read uncivil / impolite language /
>> > communication in this site?
>> >
>> > I vote for A (count 1).
>> >
>> > I invite and request all to please vote and add the count to A or B as
>> > per
>> > your choice.
>> >
>> > With no ill will to anyone
>> >
>> > Best,
>> >
>> > Kris Dev
>> > Social Activist, Chennai
>> > 0 98 408 52132.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 5:32 PM, sroy1947 <sroy1947@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Dear Mr Tewari
>> >>
>> >> "This network" as you refer to it, is claimed to be a memorial to Mr
>> >> Prakash Kardaley. Mr Kardaley incidentally was the brain behind the
>> >> "Save
>> >> RTI Sack CIC" movement of which Mr Habibullah was the sole target. All
>> >> the
>> >> emails in this connection are available in the archives of the
>> >> HumJanenge
>> >> Yahoogroup and it is quite amusing to
>> >> remember the pranks and antics (and language) Mr Kardaley's monkey
>> >> brigade
>> >> used to get up to.
>> >>
>> >> The organisers of this network, being pioneering founders of the monkey
>> >> brigade and deeply concerned about the fate of RTI in India if left
>> >> solely
>> >> in the hands of the monkeys, had sought my assistance in setting up /
>> >> managing this e-group, as apparently I am the only RTI
>> >> personality left who can be as abusive or arrogant or pigheaded than
>> >> the
>> >> late Mr Kardaley.
>> >>
>> >> BTW, Mr Habibullah has already commented on my usage of certain
>> >> unflattering (but not abusive) terms on these "blogs" in one of his
>> >> decisions as CIC. So in sum, I think it would be much better if we left
>> >> the
>> >> decision on what is acceptable here, or not, to the owners of this
>> >> group.
>> >> The link to unsubscribe BTW, is the same one you used to
>> >> subscribe here.
>> >>
>> >> Warmly
>> >> Sarbajit
>> >>
>> >> On Nov 20, 2:28 am, nct....@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> > Dear Mr Sarabjit,
>> >> >
>> >> > I do not know you well enough but have chanced upon a few mails shot
>> >> > off
>> >> > by you on this network. I would like to request you to keep some
>> >> > decorum and
>> >> > civility when you are writing pieces which are read by a large number
>> >> > of
>> >> > people. Sometimes the language that you use is very harsh and
>> >> > improper, to
>> >> > say the least. If you continue this kind of at unseemly expression,
>> >> > at least
>> >> > I would like to be out of the network.
>> >> >
>> >> > Sincerely
>> >> > Naveen tewari
>> >> > Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel
>> >> >
>> >> > -----Original Message-----
>> >> > From: sroy1947 <sroy1...@gmail.com>
>> >> >
>> >> > Sender: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
>> >> > Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 01:03:08
>> >> > To: HumJanenge RTI India Right to Information Act
>> >> > 2005<HumJanenge@googlegroups.com>
>> >> > Reply-To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
>> >> > Subject: [HumJanenge] Re: CIC minutes of meeting
>> >> >
>> >> > Actually sir, its an old charge, publicly made, and backed up with
>> >> > the CIC's own
>> >> >
>> >> > datahttp://old.nabble.com/Is-there-a-Lazy-Bum-at-the-CIC---ts29564164.htm...
>> >> >
>> >> > Incidentally, some RTI activists thought the term "lazy bum" referred
>> >> > to Shailesh Gandhi
>> >> > who was slacking off in disposing his cases per CIC statistics.
>> >> >
>> >> > My apologies for my rudeness.
>> >> >
>> >> > Sarbajit
>> >> >
>> >> > On Nov 20, 12:49 am, wajahat <whabibul...@nic.in> wrote:
>> >> > > How rude Er Roy. And a new charge of laziness long after the event!
>> >> > > Wajahat
>> >> >
>> >> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> > > From: sroy 1947 <sroy1...@gmail.com>
>> >> > > Date: Saturday, November 20, 2010 9:50 am
>> >> > > Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] CIC minutes of meeting
>> >> > > To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
>> >> >
>> >> > > Well it certainly looks as though CIC(ANT) is making up for lost
>> >> > > time
>> >> > > and undoing all the damage a certain publicity crazy lazy bum did
>> >> > > in his 5
>> >> > > years as CIC. The non-publication of the Annual Reports was
>> >> > > entirely due to
>> >> > > Pankaj Shreyaskar, and I hope that CIC(ANT) places some
>> >> > > observations against
>> >> > > him in his ACR.
>> >> >
>> >> > > Observe also how IC(SM) is now placed higher than IC(AD) in the
>> >> > > pecking order.
>> >> >
>> >> > > Sarbajit
>> >> >
>> >> > > On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 9:08 AM, PMK1504
>> >> > > <humjanenge.ow...@gmail.com>
>> >> > > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > >http://cic.gov.in/CIC-Minutes/Minutes09112010.pdf
>> >> >
>> >> > > Minutes of the Meeting held on 9 11 10
>> >> >
>> >> > > Present:
>> >> > > Sri A N Tiwari, Chief Information Commissioner
>> >> > > Sri Stayanand Mishra, Information Commissioner
>> >> > > Smt Annapurna Dixit, Information Commissioner
>> >> > > Sri M L Sharma, Information Commissioner
>> >> > > Smt Deepak Sandhu, Information Commissioner
>> >> > > Secretary and officers assisted the Commission.
>> >> >
>> >> > > Agenda 1: ATR on the MoM dated 02.11.2010
>> >> > > Noted.
>> >
>
>