Re: [IAC#RG] Justice Verma Report

Dear All; 

seeing you all so engaged with this issue; I venture to say that you may be interested in joining the discussions on police reform that are on the front burner just now. there is a facebook page at 

http://www.facebook.com/FixPolicingNow

that may be of interest. I say this because all of us who are interested in rule of law should be concerned about the everyday working of law enforcement where we live and where there are no special laws. Apologies if I am intruding.

Maja Daruwala

On 25 January 2013 15:24, atish sharma <atish2810@gmail.com> wrote:

dear sir,

Justice Verma's recommendations truely point out that existing law is
not isufficient to avoid such crimes if implemented with strong will
to achieve the results.

First and topmost target in my opinion should be to act to avoid
recurrence. In this case if the following actions were meticulously
taken there was a very meagre chance that this could have happened
.Laxity/lethargy of implimentation of existing law has incited the
problem. So to  avoid recurrence a deterant punishment should be
included in the law against the individuals responsible to impliment
the existing law and who failed to do so.

          1- The bus involved using banned black /films was running in
the capitalfor hours without regard to the existing laws and that too
without a valid licence passing through a number of police check
posts. Today also vehicles are seen plying with dark/colouerd glasses
                                ...................... . Who is
resposible for non-implimentation ?

          2- Failure to censor criminal/vulgar aspects in films/songs
that is likely to influence the negative oriented individuals in the
society
                                              ................... Who
is resposible for non-implimentation ?

          3-Failure to inculcate the faith in the judiciary that a
deterant punishment is awaitng him and it will be very fast and will
not take years to drag on. Criminal thinks either he will get away for
want of insufficient evidence/ manipulation of evidence/witnesses with
using his connections of position  or it will carry on for years
together where he will most likely get a bail.

..................... Who is resposible for non-implimentation ?

After the crime has taken place ---- inaction of the public who could
have helped the victims.

          1- The medicolegal implications/ non- cooperative suspecious
treatment/ delays during  invetigations and in hospitals. A citizen
who takes up the task is helping the administration/society. He should
not be harassed un-necessarily and should be able to maintain this
attitude in future also.Social attitude will change with his changed
perception

......................This needs relevent amendments in law




On 24 January 2013 12:20, Gaur J K <gaurjk@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 24/1/13
>
> Dear sir,
> I fully agree with you that systematic attempts are being made to show armed
> forces in poor light. Justice Verma report is another such instance and your
> efforts to expose the NGos will be fully supported by all wellmeaning
> citizens
> gaur
> ________________________________
> Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 07:39:43 +0530
> From: sroy.mb@gmail.com
> To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
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> Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Justice Verma Report
>
> Dear IESM subscribers of IAC
>
> The Justice Verma report has been hijacked in parts by certain foreign
> financed NGOs (details of which I can share privately) against the Indian
> Army. The Committee has apparently accepted / swallowed at face value
> certain statements of these anti-national persons/NGOs that Indian
> soldiers/officers operating in disturbed areas systematically use rape as a
> tool of oppression. The Committee has also recommended changes in the
> Special Forces Act - which go well beyond what IAC has proposed for
> occasional individual aberrations by troops.
>
> Kindly be assured that IAC will stand alongside / support every aggrieved
> IESM or serving officer who wishes to protest this nonsense - which is an as
> yet unproven slur on our Armed Forces.
>
> Sarbajit
> National Convenor, IAC
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 7:18 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dear Vidyut and other IAC subscribers.
>
> Many thanks to Vidyut and the other members of IAC's Save India
> group/sub-Committee who toiled in harmony to finalise IAC's response to
> Justice Verma Committee.
>
> It can now be shared that the members of the sub-Committee were continuously
> coordinating with the Justice Verma Committee, especially its Legal Counsel
> Mr. Abhishek Tewari, who even graciously invited us to appear in person
> before the Committee but we felt the same to be unfair to so many individual
> members of the public who had also responded wholeheartedly after this
> gruesome episode, and asked that our submissions should speak for itself.
>
> IAC subscribers would be pleased to know that out of the about 20 core/final
> recommendations (at page 410 onwards) of the Justice Verma Committee 3 are
> directly based on IAC's submissions and another 3 are very similar to what
> IAC had submitted. The balance recommendations were on ancillary issues like
> electoral reform, child trafficking, sexual harassment in workplace etc. on
> which IAC had not commented at all as the Committee later chose to interpret
> its mandate in an enlarged manner and strayed well beyond its disclosed
> mandate.
>
> As everything was shared between members of the sub-Committee, I am sure
> this was a good learning exercise for them and shows that team-work,
> knowledge of processes and determination to follow through can achieve
> measured results / success.
>
> Sarbajit
>
> On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 7:13 PM, Vidyut Kale <wide.aware@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> http://www.scribd.com/doc/121781170/Justice-Verma-Report
>
> Govt site not updated yet
>
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