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On Dec 8, 2012 11:31 PM, "madhu bhatia" <bhatiamadhu@gmail.com> wrote:
ACTUALLY it would be nice not to have elections and save all that wasted election amounts as alsoHaveA GOVERNEMNT OF WISE PERSONSWHO HAVE PROVED THEM SELVES.WILL SEND AN ARTICLE AS SOON AS CAN FIND IT.Thanks for tuning in Mrs Madhu BhatiaOn Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 11:22 AM, Israel Jayakaran <israel@jayakaran.com> wrote:
Dear All,Democacy is good but it could be misused so much so that the majoirty decision (A hall markof democracy) need not be always correct.It all depends on the quality and character ofthe MPs/MLAs who vote. If we have a collection of selfish and money minded members, you can't get a decision in favour of the people. In such a scenario, any majority decision would be in the interest of the voting members. So, the caliber of the elected members matter a lot.If the voting members are inherently bad and self oriented, we will get only a bad majority decision which woud be in favour of the members and not in favour of the people who elected them. So, is the majority decsion always good?In our present democratic set up, anyLallu, Panju could stand for elections regardless of his/her competence. All one needs to win an election is 'money'. Presently, only a multi millionnaire could thinkof fighting the elections. What kind of democracy is this?I still recall that in 1940's and early 50's, the elected members were very simple and moved with the people freely, asking them about their problems and they went all out to solve their problems. Not any more. Once elected, an MP becomes special human being; he is inaccessible; he wouldn't like to talk with you. (Perhaps, you can if you offer him a few thousands). He is in the seat of power for himself and not for you and me.My hard thinking brought one point clear to my mind. '' The high cost of our elections is the villain of all troubles.; a person spends tons of money to get elected and once elelcted,he gathers more money for the next elections." In sch a scenario, do you expect an ordinary pensioner to stand for elections, but mind you he is absolutely a top class man on administration and a born leader. But all these are useless in the election context.The next villain is the party type of democracy. What kinds of candidates the party heads put up for elections? His winning ability; all other qualities get pushed to the backgound. Do you expect any kind of quality and competence from such elected goons?Dont you wish that we had a system whereof only the most competent people stand for elections; those who have some achievemns to their credit and are in a position to give and they don't have to spend a paise on elections? Even such persons will have to be requested to stand for election by selec ion committee.Almost a dream, you would sy. And yet it is possible to have such a system within the present democratic framework. And yet, all the riff raffs would stand barred from the hustings. It is possible, friend. All we have to do is to work on its introduction . Please read my article at the attachment, which spells out such a system and is titled: A party less democratic set up for India .I would welcome your comments on the article.Israel Jayakaran, Colonel (Retd), signasls, veteran, Chennai----- Original Message -----From: Mukund ApteCc: iac@lists.riseup.net ; Col (Retd) Satish C Dewan ; parthasarathy ca ; Shri P Deivamuthu ; Ganesh Apte ; Brig (Retd) A D Chaubal ; L B Thapa ; Prof G. C. Asnani ; vasant banahatti ; Kumar Arun ; Satish Oberoi ; vasant sardesai ; Srinivasan KalyanaramanSent: Friday, December 07, 2012 7:30 PMSubject: Re: [IAC++] A new political set up for India.Dear Sir,According to me the main culprit for our current pitiable condition is Democracy. Please note that Democracy generates (imposed) Competition amongst people. The Competition being for Power, it is very intense and therefore creates conflicts in minds. This create chasm between various groups of people. The situation in other (Democratically functioning) countries is not much different. (People are neither happy nor contented). Then the game of bribing the voters does not take long to commence. This really initiated corruption in high places that we want to finish. So really we must change the system of our State functioning.What Mr Sarabjitsaheb says is true. In the Democracy good and upright people may not like to contest since they are not that popular and in election, popularity of the candidates is under test and nothing else, isn't it?I am attaching my write up on Democracy. You may understand my point of view little better when you go through it. I am attaching it. Kindly let us have comments in order to develop it still further for our use.With regards to all,------Mukund Apte
On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 6:18 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Col Jayakaran
We really appreciate the trouble you are taking in the prime of your life to think of saving the nation.
My own model however, gives me a quite different output.
1) My model says that honest, intelligent people do not get elected to public office. If a new party puts up 542 such candidates, they would be lucky to win even 10 seats.
2) My model says that the more corrupt the party which is elected the better the improvements in life for the average middle-class urban citizen.
3) I dont think that voters are as fed up with the BJP AND the Congress as you make out. I think India is still essentially a 2 party system (and not necessarily the Congress and the BJP only)
For eg. in TN it wud be DMK versus ADMK. In UP the SP versus BSP. In Punjab the Congress versus Akalis. In J&K the NC versus PDP etc. and so on.
4) What is happening is that the Left seems to be shrinking politically as are the Big 2 parties also.
5) Insofar as AAP is concerned, it is pretty clear it is an RSS operation to transfer the RSS vote bank out of BJP into "winnable" rebels in specific seats so that if the votes break in a certain way the RSS assumes more importance than it represents, and also at the time of BJP's ticket distribution. The Congress is concerned because of the rebel factor - their vote bank tends to be somewhat more "swingy" than an ideological party's and the split factor would hurt them slightly more than BJP.
Sarbajit
On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 5:42 PM, Israel Jayakaran <israel@jayakaran.com> wrote:
Sarabajit.
No, no, you are completely off the mark. I am thinking of a political party where every face will be new but the most intelligent and expereinced Indians in some field who are in a position to 'give' will be the members.
We don't want theold haggards at all. If one thinks that we cannot do without the old horses,he/she will be completely wrong. There are thousands of intellectuals and we have to pull them out.
If we follow the strategy which I shall reveal in some appropriate time, I have no doubt that party will capture easily 500 seats and form a single party government. And that' the need of the day as well. The new adinistration will bring in new thoughts,new approaches and new work ethics..
Don't forget that th voters are fed up with BJP and Congress. They are on the look out for a viable new party. Bu where is it? This where you and I come in.
Are you with me so far? Well, more later if you are on my wavelength.
Regards,
Israel Jayakaran, Colonel (Retd), veteran, Chennai.
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