Re: [HumJanenge] Re: Multiple Subjects /Multiple PIOs / Single address?

All said and done there is no post of CHIEF PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICER in the Present RTI regime and Members on Board cannot Interpret and Create such shall i say fictitious post beyond supernumerary posts and Establish utter confusion to other members seeking Clarification.
The Example which i Brought out is very unique and Classic example to Curtail the use of RTI and in fact In almost all Banks The Legal People at Zonal/Circle level Covering a number ofdistricts or even states are designated as PIOs and in fact are very contradictory and have been reasoned & seasoned to reject RTI requests and at the First appeal stage Provide information . this is the Problem finally leading to Time & cost Overruns on the Exchequer .These Banks are Not confident that thier own Staff located in Branches in Certain Cases Even to the Rank of AGM ( scale 5) are acting without negligence . Enogh reporting systems are available to Study and Correct any anomaly
I am fully Aware that in some of these cases the PIO & FAA are from Section and Sit next to each other Some time times sharing the quintessential & mandatory Cupboard.
N vikramsimha , KRIA Katte , #12 Sumeru Sir M N Krishna Rao Road , Basvangudi < Bangalore 560004.


--- On Mon, 20/8/12, sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

> From: sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
> Subject: [HumJanenge] Re: Multiple Subjects /Multiple PIOs / Single address?
> To: "HumJanenge Forum People's Right to Information, RTI Act 2005" <HumJanenge@googlegroups.com>
> Date: Monday, 20 August, 2012, 12:36 AM
> This can be argued the other way.
>
> 1) A widely decentralised PA can decide to have only a
> single
> Centralised PIO (with an alternate for, say, when he is on
> leave) .
> 2) This PIO can then seek assistance of any other officer
> u/s 5(4)/
> (5).
>
> PAs which are implementing this model are very efficient.
> The reason
> why it is so effective is that that A) the PIO is a master
> in denying
> information using the RTI Act B) If any information to be
> disclosed is
> hidden by any other officer - then the PIO will fully press
> for
> penalty against that officer and will not shield him (to
> save
> himself).
>
> Sarbajit
>
> On Aug 19, 11:52 pm, Vikram Simha <vikramsimh...@yahoo.co.in>
> wrote:
> > When did you create a new post of Chief Public
> Information Officer .
> > Way Back in 2006 itself when Canrabank HQ Bangalore
> created such a Post and while arguing Before Smt Padma
> balasubramanum Former IC Camp Bangalore in S A hafeez Vs
> CanaraBank , I Brought this To Her Notice and she Furious
> Enough To call a Lady Who was Designnated Cheif PIO of
> Canrabank and Directed Her to approach Cnrarabank board
> > to immediatly Cancel the Circular of that appoint ment
> and Finally even threatened to contact Finance minister Mr
> Chidambarum
> > Afterwards there was No Mention of Chief PIO in Canra
> bank Website
> > You can also see Central information Commission Case of
> AtulJain Vs Canrabank ..... CIC/SM/A/2009/001155 &1160
> of 22/06/2010
> > For More Brevity I reproduce
> > "....... we find the practice of the Bank in getting
> every reply of CPIO (meaning Central PIO) vetted by the Head
> office before it is issued to the applicant  a very
> cumbersome procedure  with the spread of the offices of the
> Bank all over India requiring CPIOs to get back to the HO in
> Bangalore in every RTI case is entierly avoidable as the
> present system is fraught with possibility of delays .....
> Decentrlise without Mandatory reference to HO in every case
> > I was Representing in Both cases as i am an former
> Officer of CanaraBANK
> > Nobody can be appointed Chief PIO .
> > you have got yourself confused  as the ACt or Rule
> Does not pernit Creation of such a post Nor Vetting down by
> Higherups
> > Advises should be Based on the Law , practicle and
> Pragmatic and not based on individiual Interpretations which
> tend to be Erroneous
> > DEAR MODERATORS: Kind Request Please Block such posts
> leading to Utter confusions
> > N vikramsimha , KRIA Katte , #12 Sumeru Sir M N Krishna
> Rao Road , Basvangudi < Bangalore 560004.
> >
> > --- On Fri, 17/8/12, Hari Goyal <haridgo...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > From: Hari Goyal <haridgo...@hotmail.com>
> > Subject: RE: [HumJanenge] Multiple Subjects /Multiple
> PIOs / Single address?
> > To: "humjanenge geoglegroups.com" <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
> > Cc: "rti dwarka" <rtidwa...@yahoo.co.in>
> > Date: Friday, 17 August, 2012, 12:09 PM
> >
> > Dear Sir,
> >
> > You can apply to one Chief Public information Officer
> (CPIO) of the Public Authority with Rs. 10/-
> > as RTI application fee.
> >
> > But you are to add one sentence before mentioning about
> rti fee;
> > "that is u/s 6(3) of the RTI Act, in case the
> information sought or part of it is with some
> > other dection/department of the Public Authority, that
> part may be transferred to them
> > under intimation to the applicant".
> >
> > Hari Goyal
> > rtidwa...@yahoo.co.in
> >
> >
> > Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 11:50:43 +0530
> > Subject: [HumJanenge] Multiple Subjects /Multiple PIOs
> / Single address?
> > From: hemantkshirsaga...@gmail.com
> > To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com;
> sroy...@gmail.com
> >
> > Hi Guys,
> >
> > I am applying for an RTI application where the
> organization has several CPIOs as per the
> subjects/department, and they have requested for the
> separation of the requests as their internal departments,
> the question is :-
> >
> > 1) Can I apply in the same envelope both the
> applications?
> > 2) Can I apply for the same in the same single 10 Rs
> postal order?
> >
> > Looking eagerly for your reply!!
> >
> > Regards,
> > Hemant
>