Re: [HumJanenge] Re:: From ADIL at Times ZigWheels re: RRR & DON'T CALL THE POLICE

SARABJIT,

Pt b - Rule 23 - keeping a safe distance in case vehicle in front comes to stop or

sudden slowdown.

The lady dvr in the car did not hit the motor cycle. She stopped though suddenly as the M/C guy suddenly turned right or tried to take a turn.

She did avoid the hit from behind. You still put her in the cat of fault.?

If that be so then how should one drive and what is the safe distance to trail a veh?

Can anyone be sure of the veh dvr coming behind on any of these conditions?

rgds

rahul

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From: R. Dua <r.dua1234@gmail.com>
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, 19 August 2012 3:41 PM
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Re:: From ADIL at Times ZigWheels re: RRR & DON'T CALL THE POLICE

Adil ji good to hear from you. We too were keen on asking Sarabjit ji the same. Then we jst thanked the stars that he is not a judge in this or else all three would have had it. On the other hand we do need ppl who say straight.

On Aug 17, 2012 4:28 PM, "Sarbajit Roy" <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Adil

1) Here's the link to the RRR
www.india.gov.in/allimpfrms/allrules/291.pdf

a) The motorcycle driver (with female pillion rider) was in
contravention of Rule 12 (U-turns)
b) The lady (Army Officer's wife) was in contravention of Rule 23. ie.
keeping a safe distance in case vehicle in front comes to stop or
sudden slowdown.
c) Ditto for the Tata 407 driver.

Knowing the road / location in question at the time - both the cars
were over-speeding and the motor cycle rider was confused.because the
U-turn into Army Battle Honors Mess had been blocked / made one way.

What nobody is saying is that there are long queues to get into the
Taj Mahal and Maurya Sheraton hotels because of the security checks of
incoming motor vehicles which always occupy (ie. encroach) 1 lane (out
of 2) of that road.

Sarbajit

On 8/17/12, Adil Jal Darukhanawala <adiljal@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 2:36 PM, Adil Jal Darukhanawala
> <adiljal@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Dear Mr. Sarabjit Roy,
>>
>> I have been on this group on corruption and RTI but this is the first
>> time
>> I have picked pen to put to paper, or rather hit the keyboard to get in.
>>
>> I am the editor-in-chief of ZigWheels, the automotive arm of the Times of
>> India Group. I was earlier the founder editor of Overdrive magazine from
>> September 1998 to April 2005 and as you might have guessed, your latest
>> comment is both interesting and intriguing.
>>
>> You did mention that under the RRR (Rules of the Road Regulations), all
>> the drivers involved in this instance ought to have been prosecuted. I
>> want
>> to be educated on this front as that we could deliver an above board and
>> factual comment on the situation so that many cannot just go hammer and
>> tongs over such an issue. However, on the face of it, without siding with
>> the army colonel, his wife, the motorcycle rider or the truckwallah, we
>> have had many accounts of police being the biggest law breakers on this
>> sort of a scale. I think it behoves their while to lay into people who do
>> not have the time to make endless visits to police stations, courts and
>> such and therefore any facilitation money is always there to be made! I
>> think this case is in line with what that UP minister (Shivlal Yadav, I
>> think is his name) mentioned a week or so ago - work a bit and make
>> yourself eligible to steal a bit! In this particular case it was first
>> harass and then steal!
>>
>> I do not want to get into this morass which affects us all greatly right
>> now but my simple request, is if you do have the time to please bring me
>> up
>> to speed on the RRR and its implementation in this case. I could use my
>> medium to spread it in a simple yet effective manner all across the
>> country.
>>
>> Thanking you in anticipation and all the best in your ongoing crusade on
>> RTI and so many other fronts.
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>> *ADIL JAL DARUKHANAWALA*
>> Editor-in-chief,
>> *ZigWheels,
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 2:22 PM, sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Knowledge of "Rules of the Road Regulations" ("RRR") is mandatory to
>>> obtain a driving licence.
>>>
>>> As per the trailing email - each and everyone of the drivers involved
>>> was in the wrong and ought to have been prosecuted under RRR.
>>>
>>> On Aug 17, 11:34 am, Shailesh <svk...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> > sahab, abhi to aapke upar Delhi Police ka defamation case bhi chal
>>> sakta hai!!!!!!!!!!!
>>> >
>>> > hamare system ke mutabik agar police staiton ne dakhal nahi di to aap
>>> DCP office, then Joint CP, then Commissioner, then Home Affairs Ministry
>>> then Local Court, then District Court, then High Court and last Supreme
>>> Court bhi approach kar sakte ho na mere bhai........
>>> >
>>> > ________________________________
>>> >  From: Mahesh Khera <mkkh...@yahoo.com>
>>> > To: Humjanenge <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
>>> > Sent: Friday, 17 August 2012 8:15 AM
>>> > Subject: [HumJanenge] Fw: DON'T CALL THE POLICE
>>> >
>>> > Dear Friends,
>>> >
>>> > Please peruse the trailing mail, a real incident in the heart of posh
>>> area in Delhi. We can just imagine what must be happening in other
>>> areas.
>>> >
>>> > How can RTI be used to nail corruption in police duties who are paid
>>> from our hard money ?
>>> >
>>> > With warm regards,
>>> >
>>> > Col Mahesh Khera
>>> >
>>> > Fwd as recd:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > >NO WONDER THEY DON'T WANT JAN LOK PAL
>>> >
>>> > >>A true story of Army Officer Victimized by Corrupt Policemen--that
>>> too In Delhi -National Capital!! You May Be Next!!! Be prepared
>>> >
>>> > >>If you ever get into an accident NEVER DIAL THE POLICE!!or be
>>> prepared for THIS!!
>>> >
>>> > >>Yesterday, my wife met with an accident outside Taj Palace Hotel on
>>> SP Marg at about 2 pm. She was trying to save a motorbike who suddenly
>>> took
>>> a wrong U turn where barricades have been put up on the road leading to
>>> Army Battle Honours Mess.
>>> >
>>> > >>She saved the mobike but as she suddenly halted, a Tata 407 hit her
>>> car from behind. The financial damage is another story! I was in office
>>> in
>>> Greater Noida when she called.
>>> >
>>> > >>She said the mobike chap was trying to run away and if that had
>>> happened she would have no evidence.
>>> >
>>> > >>So after two three desperate calls to me from her, much against my
>>> previous experience and wisdom, I decided to call the police and dialed
>>> 100. The cops reached around the same time as I did in about 45 mins.
>>> >
>>> > >>I had also called an old friend Col Manjit Singh Niranjan, and he
>>> fetched up from Gurgaon almost at the same time. We started explaining
>>> to
>>> the PCR what had happened and found to our surprise that the PCR had
>>> whisked away the mobike driver and his wife to RML Hospital.
>>> >
>>> > >>We learnt later that the police took the opportunity at the hospital
>>> to tutor him to say that he was driving along SP Marg in the same
>>> direction
>>> as my wife towards Dhaula Kuan (and not taken a wrong U turn as actually
>>> happened), and that she hit him from behind!
>>> >
>>> > >>At the site, the Inspector and ASI piled onto my wife and tried to
>>> tell her it was her fault. The Tata 407 chap kept saying it was the
>>> motorbike chaps fault, but they kept ignoring him. Then they said let's
>>> go
>>> to the Police Station and took my wife's documents.
>>> > >>As we moved in our cars, we came across the police behind SP Marg
>>> flats.
>>> > >>They had stopped the Tata 407 driver and were talking with him. This
>>> was the point when I realized something was brewing. We learnt later
>>> that
>>> they were threatening him again to say that it was my wife's fault.
>>> >
>>> > >>We were asked to proceed to Chankyapuri Police Stn and waited for
>>> around three hours.
>>> >
>>> > >>Meanwhile, my wife had the good sense to take the mobike driver's No
>>> and I called him.
>>> >
>>> > >>He turned out to be a jawan from 284 Med Regt and when I identified
>>> myself, he said " Sahab, main police ke lafde meing nahin padna chahta.
>>> Maine galti ki hai, lekin yeh PCR wale mujhe galat statement dene ke
>>> liye
>>> bahka rahe hain. Kahte hain tujhe bhi gadi wale se paise dila denge, tu
>>> bas
>>> unke khilaf statement de de, baki ham sambhal lenge"
>>> >
>>> > >>I quickly realized the racket. The Police had understood that the
>>> > >> car
>>> owner was the right target to extract money from, seeing my wife's
>>> financial status. They were accordingly working on a plan to stage
>>> manage
>>> the witnesses!
>>> >
>>> > >>I went out of the Police Station and called the OR. I told him I do
>>> not want to press any further charges and that we would sign a razinama.
>>> >
>>> > >>He agreed and after another hour arrived at the PS.
>>> >
>>> > >>The Police took us to a room and started saying that " Yeh to mamla
>>> kachehri mein jayega. Halaat kuch clear nahin lag rahe. Madam kuch kah
>>> rahi
>>> hain aur mobike driver kuch aur"
>>> >
>>> > >>And turning to the OR said - "haan bhai bol". Before he could say
>>> anything I said we have reached an understanding and neither party wants
>>> to
>>> press any charges.
>>> >
>>> > >>Hearing this the Insp was taken aback!
>>> > >>His entire well planned strategy had gone down the drain. He asked
>>> the mobike driver that he was sure and not under any duress, still
>>> hoping
>>> that he could make his buck, but the OR was determined.
>>> > >>So he made a long face and got us to sign the razinama.
>>> >
>>> > >>Now he turned onto the Tata 407 chap and said "iska chalan karo,
>>> > >> yehi
>>> baar baar bol raha tha motorcycle wale ki galti hai." On this I said we
>>> are
>>> not withdrawing our statement, we still say it is the mobike person's
>>> fault, but we don't want to press any charges. The Tata 407 driver is
>>> speaking the truth and you can't penalize him for that."
>>> >
>>> > >>The Insp said you people leave, we will let him also go. but I stood
>>> my ground and waited till they handed over his papers to him.
>>> >
>>> > >>I had to see that justice is done for a man who speaks the truth! So
>>> we all walked out of the PS out of the clutches of the Delhi Police at
>>> 6,30
>>> pm - after 4 hours of harassment.
>>> >
>>> > >>My wife is suffering from shock - not so much from the accident as
>>> the Delhi Police's deviousness !
>>> >
>>> > >>She says she had only heard stories but having experienced it first
>>> hand, she has lost complete faith in the Delhi Police!
>>> >
>>> > >>Thank God the other party was a fauji, otherwise we were done for.
>>> > >> He
>>> offered to pay me for the damage but I told him I'm not going to take
>>> money
>>> from a fauji bhai.
>>> >
>>> > >>Moral of the Story - Never Dial 100. If an accident happens, resolve
>>> it amongst yourselves amicably. The Police does not intervene (unless
>>> there
>>> has been a loss of life) till you call them (even if they're at the
>>> scene).
>>> >
>>> > >>I hope none of you ever face this situation. Be prepared for this
>>> game plan of our corrupt devious cops & stump them in advance!!!
>>>
>>
>> *
>> *
>>
>