Re: [HumJanenge] Re:: From ADIL at Times ZigWheels re: RRR & DON'T CALL THE POLICE

The Rule only speaks of maintaining a safe distance.

When a vehicle in front brakes suddenly (say a cow or child comes
running onto the road) it does not mean that the vehicle behind it
must do so too. It means that such vehicle must decelerate in a
fashion to avoid accident to vehicles in front of or behind it.

If one is driving at 60 kmph, a minimum of 8 car lengths should be
kept between vehicles. At 80- kmph 12 car lengths. If the driver is
older (more reaction time) 2 additional car lengths should be added.
These are the recommended MINIMUM values.

Sarbajit

On 8/20/12, Rahul Kumar <rahulkb50@yahoo.com> wrote:
> SARABJIT,
>
> Pt b - Rule 23 - keeping a safe distance in case vehicle in front comes to
> stop or
> sudden slowdown.
> The lady dvr in the car did not hit the motor cycle. She stopped though
> suddenly as the M/C guy suddenly turned right or tried to take a turn.
> She did avoid the hit from behind. You still put her in the cat of fault.?
>
> If that be so then how should one drive and what is the safe distance to
> trail a veh?
> Can anyone be sure of the veh dvr coming behind on any of these conditions?
>
> rgds
> rahul
>
>
>
>>________________________________
>> From: R. Dua <r.dua1234@gmail.com>
>>To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
>>Sent: Sunday, 19 August 2012 3:41 PM
>>Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Re:: From ADIL at Times ZigWheels re: RRR & DON'T
>> CALL THE POLICE
>>
>>
>>Adil ji good to hear from you. We too were keen on asking Sarabjit ji the
>> same. Then we jst thanked the stars that he is not a judge in this or else
>> all three would have had it. On the other hand we do need ppl who say
>> straight.
>>On Aug 17, 2012 4:28 PM, "Sarbajit Roy" <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Hi Adil
>>>
>>>1) Here's the link to the RRR
>>>www.india.gov.in/allimpfrms/allrules/291.pdf
>>>
>>>a) The motorcycle driver (with female pillion rider) was in
>>>contravention of Rule 12 (U-turns)
>>>b) The lady (Army Officer's wife) was in contravention of Rule 23. ie.
>>>keeping a safe distance in case vehicle in front comes to stop or
>>>sudden slowdown.
>>>c) Ditto for the Tata 407 driver.
>>>
>>>Knowing the road / location in question at the time - both the cars
>>>were over-speeding and the motor cycle rider was confused.because the
>>>U-turn into Army Battle Honors Mess had been blocked / made one way.
>>>
>>>What nobody is saying is that there are long queues to get into the
>>>Taj Mahal and Maurya Sheraton hotels because of the security checks of
>>>incoming motor vehicles which always occupy (ie. encroach) 1 lane (out
>>>of 2) of that road.
>>>
>>>Sarbajit
>>>
>>>On 8/17/12, Adil Jal Darukhanawala <adiljal@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 2:36 PM, Adil Jal Darukhanawala
>>>> <adiljal@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear Mr. Sarabjit Roy,
>>>>>
>>>>> I have been on this group on corruption and RTI but this is the first
>>>>> time
>>>>> I have picked pen to put to paper, or rather hit the keyboard to get
>>>>> in.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am the editor-in-chief of ZigWheels, the automotive arm of the Times
>>>>> of
>>>>> India Group. I was earlier the founder editor of Overdrive magazine
>>>>> from
>>>>> September 1998 to April 2005 and as you might have guessed, your latest
>>>>> comment is both interesting and intriguing.
>>>>>
>>>>> You did mention that under the RRR (Rules of the Road Regulations), all
>>>>> the drivers involved in this instance ought to have been prosecuted. I
>>>>> want
>>>>> to be educated on this front as that we could deliver an above board
>>>>> and
>>>>> factual comment on the situation so that many cannot just go hammer and
>>>>> tongs over such an issue. However, on the face of it, without siding
>>>>> with
>>>>> the army colonel, his wife, the motorcycle rider or the truckwallah, we
>>>>> have had many accounts of police being the biggest law breakers on this
>>>>> sort of a scale. I think it behoves their while to lay into people who
>>>>> do
>>>>> not have the time to make endless visits to police stations, courts and
>>>>> such and therefore any facilitation money is always there to be made! I
>>>>> think this case is in line with what that UP minister (Shivlal Yadav, I
>>>>> think is his name) mentioned a week or so ago - work a bit and make
>>>>> yourself eligible to steal a bit! In this particular case it was first
>>>>> harass and then steal!
>>>>>
>>>>> I do not want to get into this morass which affects us all greatly
>>>>> right
>>>>> now but my simple request, is if you do have the time to please bring
>>>>> me
>>>>> up
>>>>> to speed on the RRR and its implementation in this case. I could use my
>>>>> medium to spread it in a simple yet effective manner all across the
>>>>> country.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanking you in anticipation and all the best in your ongoing crusade
>>>>> on
>>>>> RTI and so many other fronts.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards.
>>>>>
>>>>> *ADIL JAL DARUKHANAWALA*
>>>>> Editor-in-chief,
>>>>> *ZigWheels,
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 2:22 PM, sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Knowledge of "Rules of the Road Regulations" ("RRR") is mandatory to
>>>>>> obtain a driving licence.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As per the trailing email - each and everyone of the drivers involved
>>>>>> was in the wrong and ought to have been prosecuted under RRR.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Aug 17, 11:34 am, Shailesh <svk...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>> > sahab, abhi to aapke upar Delhi Police ka defamation case bhi chal
>>>>>> sakta hai!!!!!!!!!!!
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > hamare system ke mutabik agar police staiton ne dakhal nahi di to
>>>>>> > aap
>>>>>> DCP office, then Joint CP, then Commissioner, then Home Affairs
>>>>>> Ministry
>>>>>> then Local Court, then District Court, then High Court and last
>>>>>> Supreme
>>>>>> Court bhi approach kar sakte ho na mere bhai........
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > ________________________________
>>>>>> > From: Mahesh Khera <mkkh...@yahoo.com>
>>>>>> > To: Humjanenge <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>> > Sent: Friday, 17 August 2012 8:15 AM
>>>>>> > Subject: [HumJanenge] Fw: DON'T CALL THE POLICE
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Dear Friends,
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Please peruse the trailing mail, a real incident in the heart of
>>>>>> > posh
>>>>>> area in Delhi. We can just imagine what must be happening in other
>>>>>> areas.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > How can RTI be used to nail corruption in police duties who are paid
>>>>>> from our hard money ?
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > With warm regards,
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Col Mahesh Khera
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Fwd as recd:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > >NO WONDER THEY DON'T WANT JAN LOK PAL
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > >>A true story of Army Officer Victimized by Corrupt Policemen--that
>>>>>> too In Delhi -National Capital!! You May Be Next!!! Be prepared
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > >>If you ever get into an accident NEVER DIAL THE POLICE!!or be
>>>>>> prepared for THIS!!
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > >>Yesterday, my wife met with an accident outside Taj Palace Hotel
>>>>>> > >> on
>>>>>> SP Marg at about 2 pm. She was trying to save a motorbike who suddenly
>>>>>> took
>>>>>> a wrong U turn where barricades have been put up on the road leading
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> Army Battle Honours Mess.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > >>She saved the mobike but as she suddenly halted, a Tata 407 hit
>>>>>> > >> her
>>>>>> car from behind. The financial damage is another story! I was in
>>>>>> office
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> Greater Noida when she called.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > >>She said the mobike chap was trying to run away and if that had
>>>>>> happened she would have no evidence.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > >>So after two three desperate calls to me from her, much against my
>>>>>> previous experience and wisdom, I decided to call the police and
>>>>>> dialed
>>>>>> 100. The cops reached around the same time as I did in about 45 mins.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > >>I had also called an old friend Col Manjit Singh Niranjan, and he
>>>>>> fetched up from Gurgaon almost at the same time. We started explaining
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> the PCR what had happened and found to our surprise that the PCR had
>>>>>> whisked away the mobike driver and his wife to RML Hospital.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > >>We learnt later that the police took the opportunity at the
>>>>>> > >> hospital
>>>>>> to tutor him to say that he was driving along SP Marg in the same
>>>>>> direction
>>>>>> as my wife towards Dhaula Kuan (and not taken a wrong U turn as
>>>>>> actually
>>>>>> happened), and that she hit him from behind!
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > >>At the site, the Inspector and ASI piled onto my wife and tried to
>>>>>> tell her it was her fault. The Tata 407 chap kept saying it was the
>>>>>> motorbike chaps fault, but they kept ignoring him. Then they said
>>>>>> let's
>>>>>> go
>>>>>> to the Police Station and took my wife's documents.
>>>>>> > >>As we moved in our cars, we came across the police behind SP Marg
>>>>>> flats.
>>>>>> > >>They had stopped the Tata 407 driver and were talking with him.
>>>>>> > >> This
>>>>>> was the point when I realized something was brewing. We learnt later
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> they were threatening him again to say that it was my wife's fault.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > >>We were asked to proceed to Chankyapuri Police Stn and waited for
>>>>>> around three hours.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > >>Meanwhile, my wife had the good sense to take the mobike driver's
>>>>>> > >> No
>>>>>> and I called him.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > >>He turned out to be a jawan from 284 Med Regt and when I
>>>>>> > >> identified
>>>>>> myself, he said " Sahab, main police ke lafde meing nahin padna
>>>>>> chahta.
>>>>>> Maine galti ki hai, lekin yeh PCR wale mujhe galat statement dene ke
>>>>>> liye
>>>>>> bahka rahe hain. Kahte hain tujhe bhi gadi wale se paise dila denge,
>>>>>> tu
>>>>>> bas
>>>>>> unke khilaf statement de de, baki ham sambhal lenge"
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > >>I quickly realized the racket. The Police had understood that the
>>>>>> > >> car
>>>>>> owner was the right target to extract money from, seeing my wife's
>>>>>> financial status. They were accordingly working on a plan to stage
>>>>>> manage
>>>>>> the witnesses!
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > >>I went out of the Police Station and called the OR. I told him I
>>>>>> > >> do
>>>>>> not want to press any further charges and that we would sign a
>>>>>> razinama.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > >>He agreed and after another hour arrived at the PS.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > >>The Police took us to a room and started saying that " Yeh to
>>>>>> > >> mamla
>>>>>> kachehri mein jayega. Halaat kuch clear nahin lag rahe. Madam kuch kah
>>>>>> rahi
>>>>>> hain aur mobike driver kuch aur"
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > >>And turning to the OR said - "haan bhai bol". Before he could say
>>>>>> anything I said we have reached an understanding and neither party
>>>>>> wants
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> press any charges.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > >>Hearing this the Insp was taken aback!
>>>>>> > >>His entire well planned strategy had gone down the drain. He asked
>>>>>> the mobike driver that he was sure and not under any duress, still
>>>>>> hoping
>>>>>> that he could make his buck, but the OR was determined.
>>>>>> > >>So he made a long face and got us to sign the razinama.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > >>Now he turned onto the Tata 407 chap and said "iska chalan karo,
>>>>>> > >> yehi
>>>>>> baar baar bol raha tha motorcycle wale ki galti hai." On this I said
>>>>>> we
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> not withdrawing our statement, we still say it is the mobike person's
>>>>>> fault, but we don't want to press any charges. The Tata 407 driver is
>>>>>> speaking the truth and you can't penalize him for that."
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > >>The Insp said you people leave, we will let him also go. but I
>>>>>> > >> stood
>>>>>> my ground and waited till they handed over his papers to him.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > >>I had to see that justice is done for a man who speaks the truth!
>>>>>> > >> So
>>>>>> we all walked out of the PS out of the clutches of the Delhi Police at
>>>>>> 6,30
>>>>>> pm - after 4 hours of harassment.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > >>My wife is suffering from shock - not so much from the accident as
>>>>>> the Delhi Police's deviousness !
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > >>She says she had only heard stories but having experienced it
>>>>>> > >> first
>>>>>> hand, she has lost complete faith in the Delhi Police!
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > >>Thank God the other party was a fauji, otherwise we were done for.
>>>>>> > >> He
>>>>>> offered to pay me for the damage but I told him I'm not going to take
>>>>>> money
>>>>>> from a fauji bhai.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > >>Moral of the Story - Never Dial 100. If an accident happens,
>>>>>> > >> resolve
>>>>>> it amongst yourselves amicably. The Police does not intervene (unless
>>>>>> there
>>>>>> has been a loss of life) till you call them (even if they're at the
>>>>>> scene).
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > >>I hope none of you ever face this situation. Be prepared for this
>>>>>> game plan of our corrupt devious cops & stump them in advance!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *
>>>>> *
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>