Re: 04 - Re: [HumJanenge] Re: RTI challenges

Dear Ms Agrawal

Do you remember the Ameena case in Hyderabad where a 10 year old
muslim girl was sold (by girl's poor father) to an arab old enough to
be her grandfather ?
http://www.cscsarchive.org:8081/MediaArchive/clippings.nsf/(docid)/0A25CFB346A8CA0AE5256B980034D2CF

Here is a scholarly study on this problem which researches all aspects .
http://books.google.co.in/books?id=sSn5xuF_ARkC
"Muslim Politics in India" by Srikanta Ghosh (Law Research Institute Kolkata)

see pg 73
http://books.google.co.in/books?id=sSn5xuF_ARkC&pg=PA73
and then please comment.

Sarbajit

On 12/11/10, poonam agarwal <poonam.agarwal88@gmail.com> wrote:
> Rajeshwar sir.
> plz upload hundreds of thousands cases you know about muslims selling thier
> daughters .
>
> plz up load only 10
>
> On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 9:35 AM, young cyber indians <
> cyberyouth@tightmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Mr Zahid
>>
>> I have great respect for Islam and principles of Islamic law. I did not
>> intend to disrespect Islam religion or Islamic law.
>>
>> I have only stated facts about consequence when law of India and Law of
>> Islam come into conflict
>>
>> K Rajeshwar Rao
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 9:21 AM, Zahidul Islam Biswas <
>> zahid.bangladesh@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear All,
>>> Let us restrict ourselves within RTI discussion. Please don't tell
>>> anything on which you don't have proper knowledge and wisdom. Healthy
>>> debate
>>> requires in-depth knowledge on the issue. Ignorance just causes gaps and
>>> conflicts. we all know these. So please restrict ourselves.
>>>
>>> On 11 December 2010 09:39, vishal kudchadkar <vishal.kudchadkar@gmail.com
>>> > wrote:
>>>
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>>>> --- young cyber indians <youn..@tightmail.co..> wrote ---
>>>>
>>>> dear irfan khan
>>>>
>>>> from your statements, it would seem that sole purpose of islamic marrige
>>>> is to get MINOR girls married.
>>>>
>>>> In indian law, unlike islamic law, minors are not able to give consent.
>>>> so whatever "consent" is extracted from such tender and impressionable
>>>> minds is no consent at all in the eyes of the law.
>>>>
>>>> There are hundreds of thousands of examples of minor muslim girls
>>>> being sold in marriage to arabs who fly in to violate their innocence.
>>>> Have you ever condemned this practice.
>>>>
>>>> Shah Banu judgement only said that criminal laws of India apply
>>>> equally to all religions. Next you will get Sonia to officially pass a
>>>> law
>>>> saying that Muslim criminals like Dawood Ibrahim or Kasab cannot be
>>>> tried for their crimes.
>>>>
>>>> K Rajeshwar Rao
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 12:15 AM, irfan khan <rtirti.khan@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > dear rajeshwar rao.
>>>> >
>>>> > you seems to have zero knowledge about islam .
>>>> > first of all for marriage consent of the girl is MOST IMPORTANT.
>>>> without
>>>> > her consent marriage is not marriage at all.
>>>> >
>>>> > Her consent shall have support of her WALI /gardian/father /mother or
>>>> any
>>>> > elderly person who loks after her as gardian.
>>>> >
>>>> > No rich person can marry any indian girl without her and her gardian's
>>>> > consent .
>>>> >
>>>> > There is not a single case where rich persons ,aried indian girls
>>>> without
>>>> > her and gardians consent .
>>>> >
>>>> > if some one has done thios then it is no marriage at all . why dont
>>>> > you
>>>> hang
>>>> > such persons for this crime ???
>>>> >
>>>> > Instead of hanging such persons you people start shouting against
>>>> ISLAM.
>>>> >
>>>> > ISLAM never never never allows any marriage without full consent of
>>>> girl and
>>>> > her wali .
>>>> >
>>>> > On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 11:12 PM, young cyber indians
>>>> > <cyberyouth@tightmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Irrespective of UNIFORM Civil Code is there or not, India has a
>>>> >> UNIFORM Criminal Code.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> In Shah Banu case what did Suprem Court say? That every divorced
>>>> >> woman
>>>> >> is entitled to a basic subsistence maintenance of just 125 rupees per
>>>> >> month from her former husband.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> What did our learned Muslim men do ?. They organized themselves and
>>>> >> pressurized Rajiv Gandhi to change the criminal law for Muslims.
>>>> >> Today
>>>> >> old Muslim men can come from all over the world, "marry" young fresh
>>>> >> virgin Indian girls and divorce them after 4 or 5 days of enjoying
>>>> >> without even having to pay Rs. 125 per month. Truly some Prophet,
>>>> >> praised be his name has said, marriage is nothing but legalised
>>>> >> prostitution.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Mr. Irfan Khan, you should be proud to belong to such a religion
>>>> >> where
>>>> >> your sisters are considered prostitutes and also have freedom of
>>>> >> speech to defend it publicly in this secular Hindu nation when even
>>>> >> God via Mohammed does not.say what you say.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> K Rajeshwar Rao.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 9:13 PM, irfan khan <rtirti.khan@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >> > dear sarabajit.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > wake up,
>>>> >> > marriage is not termination of relationships but divorce is .
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > if your daughter marries some one she do not loose her relationship
>>>> with
>>>> >> > you
>>>> >> > as daughter .You still remains her father and she still remains
>>>> >> > your
>>>> >> > daughter .
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > If she is divorced , she no longer remains his wife but she
>>>> continues
>>>> >> > to
>>>> >> > remain your daughter .
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > now tell me ...who shall provide her maintenance ..... one who is
>>>> >> > no
>>>> >> > longer
>>>> >> > related to her or one who is very much related to her .
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > most logical answer is .... one who is still related to her .
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > so after divorce .. it is duty of father or son or brother to look
>>>> >> > after
>>>> >> > his daughter ,sister etc .
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Can supreme court say that if daughter gets divorce from her
>>>> >> > husband
>>>> she
>>>> >> > SHALL NOT BE LOOKED AFTER BY HER FATHER OR BROTHER OR SON ????
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 8:07 PM, sroy1947 <sroy1947@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> The Indian Constitution is opposed to discriminatory and gender
>>>> >> >> biased personal laws like Muslim Personal law. It enjoins the Govt
>>>> to
>>>> >> >> implement uniform civil codes as expeditiously as possible and
>>>> uphold
>>>> >> >> the dignity of women..
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> You obviously support that section of Islamists who believe that
>>>> their
>>>> >> >> women are to be treated like camels and other cattle to be used
>>>> >> >> and
>>>> >> >> discarded when useless.
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> The Supreme Court made no mistake in Shah Bano. It is because of
>>>> the
>>>> >> >> arrogance and short-sightedness of Gandhi-Nehru parivar that
>>>> incident
>>>> >> >> like Shah Bano's reversal (and support to religious extremists
>>>> >> >> like
>>>> >> >> Jarnail Singh Bhindranwala) have repeatedly created terror like
>>>> states
>>>> >> >> in India by allowing State encouraged religious fundamentalism to
>>>> >> >> flourish.
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> I think the list owner should restore posting privileges of
>>>> >> >> eminent
>>>> >> >> RTIers like S D Sharma who can give a fitting reply to such kind
>>>> >> >> of
>>>> >> >> arguments.
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> Sarbajit
>>>> >>
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>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>> Research Scholar,
>>> Centre for the Study of Law and Governance,
>>> Jawaharlal Nehru University, New Delhi
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>>>
>>
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