Sunday, April 12, 2020

Re: [IAC#RG] READ THIS NOW - CORONA VIRUS

Dear Mr Roy
I never questioned the authenticity of the statement of your grandfather being DGAFMS n therefore the attached link has absolutely no bearing on the subject.
To understand the difficulties faced by people (less unfortunate ones or even the better off ones),the requirement,as per me ,is to have a COMPASSIONATE HEART n willingness to put that compassion in practice.Nothing else matters.
Regards
Manohar
From: Anand Gangoli <anandgangoli22@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2020 12:12 PM
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Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] READ THIS NOW - CORONA VIRUS
 
Dear Sarabjitji,

Sadly you have descended to a personal level. I have no intention of descending to that level. However, as your mail is addressed directly to me I will point out some inconsistencies.
We are all aware that those in the unorganised sector do not get pension(deferred wages). And that we do. But does that mean that those who do get a pension are not capable of understanding their plight in the present situation? No one has any doubt that your grandfather as a DGAFMS was a pensioner. I am sure he would have empathized with the daily wage earners/migrant labour as much as all of us do. I do not understand why you have forwarded a summary of his career, which , without any doubt, is very impressive . Unless it was to let us all know that you belong to a Brahmin family from Sylhet, and you feel that is important.
You have addressed me as a Wing Commander, and also suggested that because of YOUR poor knowledge of English, I might have been a daily wage earner or an artificer in the IAF. Seems rather incongruous. Must have been a typo. Did you meant MY poor knowledge of English ? You may be right. English is not my mother tongue, but I try my best. It is unfortunate that even 72 years after our independence some of us consider English to be such an important factor in deciding what the status of person is, or should be ! And, how is it important whether I was a commissioned office or a hourly wage earning artificer? Is there some kind of caste system on this forum? I thought we were all fighting against caste system!
For some reason you have raised the issue of Gen VK Singh's date of birth. I don't think it merits any comment in the present situation.
You have sent a picture to show how important air conditioners and mineral water bottles are during the lock down for corona virus. The picture shows Air Chief Marshal Dhanoa in a conference with the (then) Defence Minister and some other Air Force Commanders. Air Chief Marshal Dhanoa retired in Sep/Oct 2019. Well before the  Corona crisis. I do not see how this picture is of any relevance. I am sure almost all of us understand that air conditioners/computers/ fridges/ RO and other such high priced electrical /electronic gadgets have no place in the life of the  common man/ migrant worker/daily wage earner. If you say that the emphasis has to be to provide them food, water, shelter , and when required, medical help to tide over this crisis I will agree with you whole heartedly. If you feel that the electronic items are of great importance, we can at best, agree to disagree.
One thing we both agree on is that the lockdown should be extended. Fortunately that is what most states have decided.
I am sure we shall prevail.
Anand S Gangoli

On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 8:53 AM Sarbajit Roy <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
Dear Wing Commander Gangoli

1) Poor people in the UNORGANISED sector operate without a safety net and don't get the luxury of deferred "wages" (which you do). Actually my poor knowledge of the English language and/or accounting terminology causes me to wonder whether you are a commissioned officer or a tradesman/artificer in the IAF working on hourly wages. Accordingly, I say that you and Mr. Manohar Sharma appear most unqualified to talk on this subject (of poor people getting crushed under lockdown or demonetisation).


3) I have never said that pensions of senior officers be reduced and diverted to COVID relief. In fact IAC has always been with IESMs in their struggle for OROP and for greater pensions etc. It seems you are deliberately misquoting me and twisting my words (I seem to recall that you were part of a group of IESMs who supported Gen VK Singh - now a politician and Minister - on his dubious DoB). Our simple point is that those people getting regular govt pensions cannot understand the pain and suffering of this pandemic for unorganised daily wagers and casual labour who operate from hand to mouth and day to day, and should not presume to speak for them. Insofar as PMCARES is concerned, IAC having previously conclusively exposed that the PMRF and PMDRF are complete mismanaged scandals will have nothing to do with them.

4)  Insofar as Banks not working is concerned, I am attaching a photo taken by me on 23.March.2020, ie. immediately on lockdown beginning. It clearly states that this Branch is closed for duration of lockdown and depositors must go to another branch (then 3 km away) and thereafter also pushed further away. Now this is a PSU Bank and so I have every reason to say LOUDLY that this is a repeat of DEMONETISATION. At least during demonetisation the banks were open but had no cash. Now the banks are closed and depositors get no cash.


5) Insofar as telecom is concerned, I can show you at least 3 recent duly registered complaints on DoT website alongwith Airtel's replies saying they are unable to provide me mobile internet services at my location due to technical reasons. My location is a well developed area of Delhi with3 telecom towers of Airtel in a 600m radius with direct line of sight. I suspect that Airtel is virtually bankrupt after paying AGR dues under SC Damocles sword, so they have throttled my internet to 2G speeds to save money. This is EXACTLY what i said would happen. Its not only me, almost everyone on Airtel in my area is facing this problem.  I have enough evidence in hand to back up my statements on this count.

6)  If you feel that fridges, computers, RO water machines, elevators etc are not essential services, then kindly educate me (and our civilian members) why at every meeting of Govt, there are always PET mineral water bottles before the ministers, IAF officer and babus. Why can't "you superior people" drink DJB tap water naturally cooled in matkas ? Let us see how Air HQ functions without these things. I publicly challenge you to join hands with me in demanding that Air HQ or Western Air Command, or Subroto Park, etc should function without these "inessential", as per you, devices.




7) Insofar as the extension or removal of lockdown goes, I have made my position clear. I favour more stringent lockdowns for much longer periods with some brief "open days" for the general public to do essential things by rotation. I have the privilege of being part of certain exclusive international scientific communities, whose members are working on the technical side of this pandemic. Like the demonetisation scam, there are many curious facts about this pandemic, which are going to emerge after the bloodbath. As a scientist I only look at what the evidence indicates, it is for our BANKRUPT government (bankrupted by its high wage / pension bills) to handle the economic and social issues / woes of the common people.

8) Lastly, i suggest you look closely (as we do) at this government you are supporting, What is the point of India being No.4 (or No.5) on the Global Firepower ranking when we still have 4 very sick patients sharing a hospital bed in AIIMS Delhi under normal conditions despite 6 years of Modi sarkaar (and 60 years of Gandhi-Nehru before that). Why are our best brains being kept out of medicine because of caste, religion or parochialism? Why is Mr. Modi's govt openly rigging not only CBSE exams but also entrance exams for IIT and NEET ? Is it fair that a general category candidate had to secure 162 marks from 360 to clear cutoff in JEE Mains last year while the cut-off for reserved candidate was -3 (ie.. NEGATIVE 3 marks). Does Modi Govt have any respect for education when he appoints unqualified people with fake/dubious degrees as Cabinet Ministers for Education one after the other. I can categorically say that this govt is corrupt when it comes to education if it removes an efficient and forthright IAS officer like Ms. Rina Ray, who inter-alia did her job in honestly exposing her immediate junior, and incidentally Mr. Modi's blue eyed IAS officer who is still in their post, based on my complaint for rigging exams. I could go on. If after all this mess in our education system the COVID menace is somehow being managed it is because of our selfless nurses, technicians and the few good doctors still left in the system and not because of this Govt which has its collective head up its collective unscientific arse.

9) NB: since at least the first week of February, Indian medical professionals had been asking for stringent measures to be imposed and precautions taken, but Mr. Modi seemed only intent on ass-kissing Donald Trump when he visited India. Coincidentally or otherwise, immediately soon after Mr. Trump's entourage departed Covid detections began spiking to as much as 30 times in 14 days (the virus incubation period) evidencing that COVID in India was very probably amplified/triggered  by Trump's visit and the crowds (10 million as per some reports) stagemanaged by Modi to meet and greet him. Based on the trendline, I suspect the Nizamuddin Markaz Fiasco was nothing compared to Mr. Modi's Trump moment in spreading the Virus because each silent carrier can potentially infect 300+ people (as the earlier projection still seems to indicate) and already as of this moment (midnight of 10/11th April 2020)  about 7,700 are confirmed as CORONA +ve in India following the predicted trend.






On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 7:33 PM Anand Gangoli <anandgangoli22@gmail.com> wrote:
With respect to Sarabjitji's   email of 8th April.

 Sarabjitji, are you against the idea of pensions? As Manohar Sharma
has mentioned in his mail, pension is a deferred wage, for services
already tendered. I am sure your grandfather who, as you say, was the
DGAFMS was also drawing a pension. Your proposal to reduce the pension
of senior officers and divert the amount saved to fight Covid in my
view has merit.  But while that step is being considered, many of us
defence  pensioners  are already making substantial contributions to
PMCARES.
 As far as Canteen services are concerned I might add that during the
lockdown the Canteens are also locked down. So like everybody else we
are totally dependent on the local kirana shop (profiteering banias ?)
who provide the provisions at risk to their health, so that we (most
of us  senior citizens and particularly vulnerable to the virus) can
remain relatively safe during the lockdown.
To complain about having difficulty getting your fridge , computers,
printers, RO etc repaired is rather naïve. Do you seriously consider
these to  be essential services? Does that sound pro people?
With respect to the monetary situation, I have had no difficulty in
using my credit card/ netbanking. Small kirana shops are accepting
Credit /debit cards /BHIM and Paytm.  I think the problems escribed by
you are exaggerated. In you e mail of 18 Mar you had raised the fear
of demonetisation. That was rather irresponsible - wasn't it. But
perhaps the misinformation came from the " corridors of power".
You have rightly pointed out that the number of Corona infected cases
has increased from 119 to 5800 in the last 20 days.. But has any other
large country fared any better? While there is absolutely no room for
complacency, so far we are doing substantially better wrt to Corona
Virus as compared to prosperous countries like US, UK, Spain, Italy
who have far better medical facilities. Please look up the comparative
numbers.

Finally comes the question of lockdown vs no lockdown. Lockdown will
curtail the economy and cause hardship to all, more so for the poorer
section, but will slow down the spread of the virus. No lockdown will
permit the virus to spread unchecked, and may decimate a substantial
proportion of our population. This could possibly cripple our economy
in the long term. Which do you prefer? A difficult decision for any
government. US and many European governments delayed and are now
paying a heavy price.
Please do make some constructive suggestions on what steps the
government should take to fight the crisis, rather than find fault
with every decision. made by the government.
Regards to all. Keep indoors and stay safe.
Anand Gangoli

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 2:28 PM Manohar Sharma
<manohar.sharma@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dear Col Kapoor,Anand Sir n Rina Madam, I am forwarding this reply of mine to you all as I am not sure whether Mr Roy will post my reply.This is for your info only.Will be sending the reply to Mr Roy n India resist too.
> Dear Mr Roy
> You have mentioned my name in your post while exercising your self assumed authority to disapprove my replies on this group.Now as a very knowledgeable legal person like you must know that 'a natural right to reply' accrues to me automatically n you will allow this reply to be posted on the platform thus proving yourself to honest, fearless n Truthful (the qualities you learnt from your grandfather)
> You have called me  a privileged person (IESM) who is in receipt of fixed price rations through canteen including liquor,ECHS, substantial pensions etc.
> Well yes,I have earned that privileged position through my service in the Air Force like your grand father must have  earned his position and enjoyed these benefits  too.The canteen services,ECHS , pensions etc has been in existence well before Modi became PM but for your info,now they are far more curtailed than the times of your grandfather.
> You being a genius who argued your case in SC(as per your post) must know that pensions are delayed wages so your mentioning it in the manner you have indicates a clear trait of jealousy .
> That said, I live in a village 15 kms from the army canteen n 38 kms from the cantonment where ECHS is available.I have been on self quarantined (self n wife are healthy with grace of God) since 18 March,by purely following govt instructions as I think I must support the govt action which is meant to contain this pandemic.
> I have been buying all my needs (except liquor as I have been a teetotaller all my life n still am)
> from local shop whom you have called 'bania  profiteering' in a very disparaging manner. I may be ignorant but I am not aware whether the likes of Big Basket, Amazon n other home delivery services are free from profiteering'.
> The PSU bank (Indian Bank)branch has been functioning with all the  banking needs being fulfilled.ATM is also attached to the branch n it has been functioning for 95% of the time.
> I always had the BSNL providing me WiFi services n Jio sim that functioned very well during all the period of lock down.
> SO YOUR NEWS TO HOARD MONEY N GOODS WHILE GIVING EXAMPLE OF DEMONETISATION WAS PURE N SIMPLE SPREADING PANIC as I have indicated above and I have not lived a privileged life as mentioned by you but normal life of all the villagers from my village.
> I have also written a full email contesting your ideas of Hinduism(Sanatan Dharma) by quoting specific verses of the vedas,you have chosen not to reply.
> If my replies have gagged or throttled postings of others then there's a serious problem of their being authentic.Your use of the word ',pro people' is very interesting.Who are these 'people' whose stance you represent.Last I remember you mentioning the religiously persecuted people from neighbouring countries in a very disgusting manner. The villagers where I stay are extremely happy with the receipt of gas cylinder,money transfer of home n toilet construction n subsidy via DBT n they don't have to beg any official or grease anyone's palms for these benefits.
> Best Regards
> Hope you will post my reply to your post of 08/04/20.
> Manohar
> From: indiaresists-request@lists.riseup.net <indiaresists-request@lists.riseup.net> on behalf of Sarbajit Roy <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2020 11:26 PM
> To: indiaresists <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
> Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] READ THIS NOW - CORONA VIRUS
>
> Dear Col Kapoor (Advocate)
>
> I am constrained to send this email because several querulous emails are being posted recently to this list (but not being approved) mostly by retired govt servants seeking to gag / throttle postings on this forum (which incidentally exists since 2005) with veiled threats.
>
> Accordingly, I am belatedly responding to your benign email of 20.March 2020 in response to my email of 18.March.2020
> With the benefit of hindsight, I can safely say that most of what I anticipated therein has come about in various degree/s. For instance
>
> 1) On Friday evening PM Modi did announce so-called "Janata curfew" wef 22.March.2020 which was extended till 14 April 2020 soon thereafter and is now very likely to be extended by another month in Delhi and several other parts of India, since LOCKDOWN has been unable to curtail/control  the virus.
>
> 2) As I predicted Banks did shut down and there were shortages of money in the ATMs. Petty grocery shopkeepers were refusing digital payments like PaYTM and Bhim-UPI, and even Amazon cancelled several of my pending orders (and for lakhs of other Indians too) placed before lockdown only for payment settlement related issues. My own PSU bank which is a stone's throw from my residence shut 3 branches in my colony and all ATMs near me near me within 2 days of lockdown  and suggested I use another branch first 3 km and then 5 km away, People there say it is mostly out of cash and only 2 staff are on duty there, and in any case how are we to reach there with no public transport functioning.
>
> 3. Except for bare essentials of groceries and medicines, nothing is open near me in Delhi (the national capital). Prices of vegetables and especially fruits have doubled. Milk packets were being sold with expired dates on take-it-or-leave-it basis. I am sure others will have similar experiences. It is now reaching a point where systems are getting stretched and even normal replacements, repairs and regular servicings of basics like fridges, ACs. fans, RO water machines,computers, printers, mobile phones, diesel generators, elevators etc is not being allowed. Only bania shops are open for profiteering while private technicians are kept confined at home losing their income with no help from the government. Even mobile telecom engineers are being stopped and I have had no internet service from Airtel for last 10 days. I am able to send these emails only because i took my own advice and precautions and stocked up on SIMs of a Govt  telecom operator.
>
> 4. Of course you would not experience all these disruptive things since you (presumably) as an IESM get a substantial Government pension, ECHS and no shortage of fixed price rations (including liquor) from military canteens etc. unlike the general public. I am sure all those other "pro-nation" IESMs like Mr. Anand Gangoli and Mr. Manohar Sharma (who are aggrieved by the "pro-people" aka "anti-national" stance of this forum) are also as privileged as you are to be able to support Mr. Modi who perpetuates your privileges. So before venturing to call me an anti-national, I respectfully suggest that all of you hold up a mirror to yourselves (and your privileges, if any) and imagine "normal" life without them.
>
> 5. Fifthly, I am a rational, scientific person with appropriate qualifications and first class professional degrees from premier institutes of India, and with decades of practical professional experience including in ordnance and weaponry. Additionally, because I also argued my first matter in the Supreme Court at age 17 (my son successfully argued his first PIL there in person at age 4 years) your tag of "Advocate" does not disconcert me in the least from speaking my mind on this forum as I am grounded squarely and soundly on fact and the law.
>
> 6. Sixthly, If there is one thing I learned from my grandfather (who was DGAFMS in his time) it is to be honest, truthful, fearless and not shirk from helping as many people as possible by cooperating fully with my peers and seniors in the centuries old war for purna swaraj for Hindustan (which is neither "India" nor "Bharat").
>
> In this context I refer to the joint resolution (common resolution) of Hindu Samaj and Hindu Mahasabha of 12 Dec. 1949 held at Calcutta, and at [here]
>
> "Socialist governance in Hindu Rashtra (Hindustan)
>
> The entire economic programme of the Hindu Samaj centres round the principle—that besides ordinary functions, of maintaining law and administering justice, a civilised Government has a duly to provide means of livelihood to every subject. If a person dies for want of food, the Head of the State must be held legally responsible for it.
> ..
> .. to achieve this end, salaries of Senior officers, as also the resources of business magnates, land- owners and industrialists, shall be subjected to compulsory cuts and taxation. In short, major sacrifices in new directions shall be required from those who have enough to spare. The Hindu Samaj shall give top priority to this question."
>
> PS: On 18.March 2020 when I sent my email there were only 110 confirmed Covid-19 cases, today (20 days later) there are 5,800 (officially), which is a 22.7% daily increase compounding (despite 15 days of curfew/lockdown). Think about it and what caused it to explode.
>
> sincerely
>
>
> Sarbajit Roy
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 8:34 AM MG Kapoor <mgkapoor.1962@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Mr Sarabjit Roy,
>
> Greetings of the day.
>
> Please stop this nonsense of spreading panic when the Nation is already reeling under corona virus panic - the TV Channels and media creating a great panic already.
>
> Your act, if proves untrue, would be a great antinational act.
>
> Regards,
>
> MG Kapoor
> Advocate
>
> On Wed, 18 Mar 2020 at 9:48 PM, Sarbajit Roy <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
>
> Dear IAC members
>
> https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/sph/ide/gida-fellowships/Imperial-College-COVID19-NPI-modelling-16-03-2020.pdf
>
> https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/03/india-poor-testing-rate-masked-coronavirus-cases-200318040314568.html
>
> Per my discussions today in corridors of power, this is likely to be a rerun of DEMONETISATION. Expect announcements from Friday evening onwards.
>
> Better to be safe than sorry.
>
> 1) Stock up on food and other essentials for 1 month
>
> 2) Stock up on cash, ATMs may go dry and banks may stop working.
>
> 3) Do not depend on digital systems, payment and internet. Today 1 major Telecom player seems likely to shut down due to stock market collapse and adverse SC judgment (or may sell discreetly to the Only Vimal group). Another mobile company in Delhi has shut down 80% of its towers in last 7 days, fired 50% staff and cant even pay electricity bills.
>
> 4) Hospitals are likely to fill quickly. In Delhi Kejriwal is likely to direct private hospitals to give free treatment in ICU, which is going to amplify the problem by 10 times.
>
> Please do not circulate this message or forward it to non-members. It is only for our members.
>
> Very important links in case you missed it
>
> https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/sph/ide/gida-fellowships/Imperial-College-COVID19-NPI-modelling-16-03-2020.pdf
>
> https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/03/india-poor-testing-rate-masked-coronavirus-cases-200318040314568.html
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