Friday, April 17, 2020

Re: [IAC#RG] Narendra Modi kuch to sharam karo !

Kindly change this header whoever invented it as it seems to be creating much angst. Besides, I don't expect any sharam from this government's bosses - they think they can absolve their sins in the next Maha Kumbh or later, in their next lives.

Sorry to upset your argument but I can't be a Communist as I have neither read Marx nor Mao though I did have their works in my house! (All educated people's libraries have them.) I believe in citizen's natural rights - Naisargik Adhikar jisko kahte hain.

I know about the dire situation decades of top-down policies and malgovernance have created for ordinary village people in remote so-called Maoist affected areas from first hand, in Jharkhand where my sociologist husband and I worked with 9 displaced villages for four years (in honorary capacity) in Asia's biggest opencast coal mine handed over to a foreign company and CCL by Rajiv Gandhi's government. And I have followed the pogroms against tribals and extrajudicial killings, incarceration and torture of men and women by police and paramilitaries in Chhattisgarh until the Supreme Court outlawed the state supported Salwa Judum campaign. Their plight has been exploited by armed militants and to me this represents a failure of governance on the part of the Indian state. 

When people resist venal state officials, corruption at all levels of government, displacement by mining companies (in joint ventures with NMMDC, why not with the original tillers of the land?), miserable rates of compensation for land and no compensation at all for the forest produce that forms their main source of livelihood, and state repression when they resist displacement then they often have no recourse but to join some militant movement to demand their rights as citizens. Does empathising with them constitute being a Communist? 

FYI the government commissioned an IAS officer Debu Bandhopadhay to study the situation and present his report on Left-wing Extremism in these areas. His conclusions point to the same thing - it is caused by sheer failure of governance. You can get this report online now that the Planning Commission has been abolished. Simple village people and tribal communities would never take up arms against the state, because they respect a Mai-Baap Sarkar's authority and armed resistance would be suicidal anyway as proven in the Kalinga Nagar episode in Orissa.

Btw, Debu Bandhopadhyay is by no means a Communist sympathiser either - he has been a consistent critic of the Left Front government in WB but he did help the state after the Naxalbari movement by designing and implementing the Tebhaga land rights scheme between State and people's representatives.

Can you define what is a Communist in the Indian context? Why do you think anyone who critizes any mukhouta who heads a dubiously elected government a Communist? I don't have time to read Mao and Marx but I do see a lot of criticism hurled at presidents of the US by ordinary citizens and Netizens who would never call themselves Communist. 

Where did you (Rao, Rina M. et al.) get the idea that Communism was a bad word? It's a form of government that is accepted in India. And you must know that the 'Communist' government of Kerala has done the best job in this current emergency by monitoring and containing the spread of Covid19 and reducing death rates in the state. Is that a bad thing to have done ?? 

J. Roy


On Sat, 18 Apr 2020, 09:58 jayant rao, <coljayant@gmail.com> wrote:
Communists are not happy with anything good that is happening in the country.Their destructive mind set is so tuned to see everything negative and with hatred that they have cocooned their warped mind. Roy sseems to the product of this mind set. 
Good luck

On Sat, 18 Apr 2020, 2:26 am Prodipto Roy, <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
I did not invent the title of this thread but I am not averse to it. You may support this goverment because you benefit from it. But I cannot accept a communal, minority hating and fascist goverment that has come to power twice most likely by fixing the EVMs with a hand-picked servile Gujarat cadre IAS as CEC. While it is the so-called elected government I have to follow its rules but that doesn't mean I have to praise it. 

If they genuinely start testing everyone including in remote rural areas and crowded bustees of the poor, and make adequate arrangements for the tsunami of Covid cases that will come by May-June as well as stop exporting drugs that our own people will need soon just to please our new friends, then I may change my opinion about this Sarkar, regardless of how it came to power.

Tab tak main yeh kahoongi ki yeh sarkar sharam aur karam ka MATLAB hi nahi samajhti hain. (Main yeh oopar ki heading nahi di - is silsila ko jari rakhke aap hi isko barha rahe hain!) Aapko hi khamosh rahna padega ya koi naya title se nayi sutra shuru karna padega.  

Roy

On Fri, 17 Apr 2020, 14:14 neeraj singla, <nsingla@hotmail.com> wrote:
Very very Bad

Ms Joya Roy, I can sense your hatred for everything that is Indian, especially Modiji. You also must be the Tukde Tukde gang, the anti CAA lobby, award wapsi and intolerance brigade. I can understand your pain. Your free loading must have stopped

You must be very happy the way our health workers are beaten by the goons, predominantly Muslims. Unfortunately for you, the health workers are not beaten by your so called lathi wielding RSS men.

In place of asking Modiji, Kuch to sharam karo, pl try to see your self in the mirror, I know you are thick skinned aur aap to sharam nahin karoge

Do not forget, the normal has changed. We will not accept your tantrums any more. Enough is enough. Suggest you see the link below



Anyway
Good Luck

Neeraj Singla


From: indiaresists-request@lists.riseup.net <indiaresists-request@lists.riseup.net> on behalf of Prodipto Roy <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2020 3:52 AM
To: indiaresists <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Narendra Modi kuch to sharam karo !
 
Re the statement that India had "10,000 cases in 75 days", we all know that that's a gross underestimate because, a) India has one of the lowest testing rates in the world such that given our population, our published data are even less credible than those of some subSaharan countries or secretive China, b) our testing protocols applied to arrivals at airports, ports, later at some state borders, or to hospital entries, and c) government admits that India is yet to develop/import on the mass scale needed, a sufficient quantity of testing kits, and indeed, of all other epidemic related equipment like PPEs, masks, ventilators, hand sanitizers, etc.

As you know this government has been allergic to the collection and disclosure of data of any kind, be they on employment, banking, PHC functioning and use in rural areas, health and malnutrition status of LIGs, of children, or whatever. So there is no mechanism to collect data on morbidity and mortality for over 80 per cent of the population who live in rural areas or urban slums. Thus the Covid+ve figure of 10,000 can't be taken seriously and  certainly not congratulate ourselves about.

In this situation, containment, with lockdowns enforced by a barbaric police force or paramilitaries including lathi wielding RSS men rather than active health status monitoring or curative health care remains the focus of this government. Tell me, how many people under lockdown actually have access to even a district hospital even in the most advanced districts of rural India? We can only hope that the stars, sunlight, UVCs, home remedies for immunity and faith in our multiple gods and godmen/women will carry that underserved 70 per cent of the population through this crisis.

(Smt.) Joya Roy
Research Editor

On Fri, 17 Apr 2020, 08:07 m.g.r. rajan, <mgr_rajan@hotmail.com> wrote:
Mr. Natarajan, Which TV news channel would you prefer to believe? Bootlicking has not stopped, only the boots have changed!
 Yesterday CNN News 18 (you know who owns it) displayed a graph showing the number of days in which different countries had 10,000 Covid-19 positive cases. We had them in 75 days. 
Iran, Italy, Spain, US etc had much higher infection rates.  South Korea had 10,000 in 71 days, China in 76 days. 
Care to comment?


From: indiaresists-request@lists.riseup.net <indiaresists-request@lists.riseup.net> on behalf of Natarajan <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2020 7:54 AM
To: ravi.iim.2002@gmail.com <ravi.iim.2002@gmail.com>; Indiaresists <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Narendra Modi kuch to sharam karo !
 
God save India from its maligning commentators. The British quit India 73 years ago but left behind bootlicking slaves who are unable to erase their masters from their minds. People of India responded so enthusiastically to the ace motivator Modi, that, impressed by it, people of other countries publicly followed suit much to the discomfiture of slaves. Their frustration has now turned into to hatred. Even if the incident referred were true, it demonstrates the lighting response. BBC is notorious for its inaccuracy in covering India thanks to its slaves filing malicious stories to please their masters and earn a few crumbs. For them, first their master, then anyone else. Look at the quoted headline scripted from India. Enough of this nonsense.


On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 at 2:50, ravi kapoor
Doctors all over India are now getting increasingly concerned with the desperate shortage of reliable COVID testing kits.

Patients with acute symptoms of fever and pulmonary distress are not being tested in Government hospitals across the country as Modi's government desperately tries to keep the numbers under control by April 20th 2020 for the economy to be opened by hook or by crook.

Once again it is an Emergency like situation all across India where the only news which can be trusted is from the foreign press

Is India underreporting the coronavirus outbreak? - BBC News

We continue to stand by the @LockDownIndia Covid data projections. Our model is an extremely conservative model which could not anticipate that the Government would run out of COVID19 testing kits from 11th April onwards. Conservatively, based on international experience, there would be at least 5 cases unidentifed cases for each COVID19 conformation. As such it can be projected there would be at least 75,000 infected persons in India

The national capital Delhi ran out of accurate PCR testing kits 2 days ago (13th April 2020) when there was a huge surge of 366 confirmed cases (official data) that day.The situation was so desperate that the Director Public Health NCDC in Delhi personally flew down to Mumbai/Maharashtra so he could borrow about 120 kits which he brought back. Today (15.April.2020) only 37 tests could be conducted  in Delhi and 15 cases were identified by PCR when at least 1,200 patients were waiting to be tested on PCR after rapid testing.

God help India and save us from pot banging and candle lighting lying politicians who have put us in this mess,.

Ravi


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