Wednesday, October 1, 2014

Re: [IAC#RG] IAC's position on homosexualtity

In view of the knowledge that medical sciences provide us about homosexuality, we need to accommodate our views on the matter a bit leniently. It would be imprudent to take extreme stand. 
Here is my write up on this that will appear in newspapers in coming week:

Gay Rights Resolution at the UN: India abstains

While Indian Prime Minister is in USA, the Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif – as if to stymie the Indian head's visit- raked up the issue of Kashmir at the U.N. Speaking in New York at the United Nations- coinciding with Modi's arrival in New York-  Pakistani premier demanded that Kashmiris have the right to self-determination. However, Mr. Modi played cool next day during his speech at the U.N. and raised the issue of terrorism with direct reference to Pakistan.

In the midst of all this, an important decision by India at the United Nations did not catch the media attention.  On the same day that Indian Prime Minister arrived in USA, India decided to abstain from voting on the resolution passed at the U.N. supporting the gay rights. On September 26, 2014, the UN passed a resolution opposing discrimination and violence against members of LGBT (lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender) community. The United Nations Human Rights Council put a motion condemning violence and discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation or gender identity. The resolution was passed by 25-14 votes. USA, Germany, France, UK, Japan, South Korea and South Africa supported the resolution, while many member countries of Organization for Islamic Cooperation (OIC) including Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and UAE voted against the motion. Saudi Arabia was particularly fierce in its opposition to the rights for gays, and called it "an attempt to impose uniculturality" that "runs counter to religious and cultural practices in some countries".

World's largest democracy that India is, by abstaining from this resolution missed an opportunity to stand for the rights and dignity that gay people have been demanding. With the advent of medical science, the perception about homosexuality needs to change. However even if society has difference of opinion on homosexuality, most will agree that the gay community should not be subject to ridicule, discrimination and violence just because of their sexual orientation



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On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 2:21 AM, Gaur J K <gaurjk@hotmail.com> wrote:
1/10/14

Dear Mr. Joshi,
I fully support your views.
S. Roy is a man of extreme views. Some times I wonder if this is not for eliciting extreme reactions.
He is vehimently  opposed to foreign influences in matters of finance and governance but seem to embrace them in matters of morality ,ethics, family and societal structure.
Perhaps his stated position on secularism is compelling him to support homosexuality.
Possiblly also because all religious groups-Hindu,Muslim,Christians are opposed including Baba Ramdev.
Then why S. Roy is opposed to Pornography?
Is all this not under the influence of US and European culture?
Is S.Roy justifying under the human rights umbrella and personal choices? All these concepts are foreign to India.
Please alsoremember there is a very thin line between liberty and libertine and freedom and anarchy.
Regds
JKGaur 


From: naishadhjoshi@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 07:37:38 +0530
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] IAC's position on homosexualtity


Hi Sarabjit,

Greetings.

You have proposed exactly what is opposite to charter of IAC and also very character of Indian culture. You in person are known for your idiosyncratic integrity of thoughts. I don't know how you fell for his lackadaisical approach.

You are proposing to breed corruption of thoughts in worst putrid manner.

You are proposing to expedite decomposition of Indian society with clinical accuracy.

You are doing so in the name of freedom of choice, that is exactly what is corrupt & depraved.

Next you will canvass freedom of polygamy. Lowering age for marriage and permitting what is now called child marriage. Next you will propose abortion for unmarried women. You will also propose to legalise bestiality as beasts do not have right of consent while men have freedom to choose mode of sensual pleasure. Next you will propose non-penetrative sex even with children. You can have freedom of sexual demonstration in public as time & place of deriving pleasure cannot be regulated by law which will according to you will be inconveniently restricting freedom of choice of consenting adults. Lackaday! group sex is most certainly freedom of collective choice of consenting adults. Wake up IAC!

28 countries have suddenly amended their laws to permit homosexuality. Why sudden burst everywhere? It is a sponsored centrally funded project to globally eradicate present marriage institute which legitimise birth of child from copulation between man & wife which called parentage. If child embryo is to be manufactured in laboratory and marketed as per customised needs, present marriage laws must go for good. Marriage between man & woman is root cause of non-marketability of assembled embryo at large scale. Surrogacy marketing has crystallised this much. In 2040, these laboratories will come in forefront when we all will finally realise our freedom of choice was abused in worst manner for destroying structure of society by taking down its pylon of marriage just for the sake of profiteering from factory production of human/living embryo duly tailor-made per choice.

What people get by natural copulation free of charge in marriage, for the same thing, people cannot be compelled to shell out large sums of money for the same thing - conceiving child.

For total chaos, What you have proposed will be bedrock.

Enjoy the corporate planning for 25 years.









On 30 September 2014 15:54, SURESHAN P <sureshandelhi@gmail.com> wrote:
Completely agree with this proposal, Freedom of an individual is utmost important  and government has no role to curtail it unless and until enjoyment of  freedom interfere with others freedom" 

Further,  prostitution is  required to  be legalized and regulated, This will save many sex workers from police atrocities and forced sex. Even regularized prostitution will give a right to every sex worker to live freely and fearlessly and they are not required to work just like a bonded labor under a pimp or brothel managers. 

These are all much needed law amendment 

regards 

    

On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 9:44 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Raminder,

Seriously, for a long time I have been wondering if IAC should settle
its policy on "unpopular" issues like homosexuality, birth /
population control in the same way that we have an unpopular position
on "right to own and bear arms".

In keeping with the clauses in IAC's charter on inclusiveness,
diversity, secularism etc. I propose a sense of the house motion on
the following lines.

"That India Against Corruption supports the freedom of every person
resident within the territory of  India to explore all forms and
variations of consensual sexual practices, and marry irrespective of
gender. That accordingly laws like Indian Penal Code and Special
Marriage Act etc. require to be amended."

Sarbajit



On 9/30/14, Raminder Singh <ramisingh.bbc@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sarabjit
>
> Good One :)
> And here's another :-
>
> The RSS, VHP and Vatican all have something in common. Being being mostly
> practicing closet homosexuals, they all denounce homosexuality in public.
>
> Rami

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