Re: [IAC#RG] Supreme Court Collegium

roy sir, for centuries and traditioanlly each Khap is of each village and  also of dominant gotr in that village. 360 khap name is of a  bigger  khap of  360 villages,  who may have each different dominant gotrs e.g. solanki, rana , tomer etc etc.,  e.g.  A solanki khap comprises of all persons having solanki gotr./surname irrespective where they live. Every village of same gotr comprises one khap whether the villages are adjacent or at distance. We can find Barah khap(12 villages) 84 churasi khap etc.   Even  a  beniwal  living in delhi  and other in  mumbai  is considered brother sister l  of and hence ,brother sister can not marry.   Then comes Surv khap  which comprises different khaps of various, either gotr khaps and/or  village khaps.  Same principle does not apply in a city simply because all have come  from different  places/villages and can get married to a padosi  boy/girl as long as they are of different gotrs. This principle unfortunately  is being imposed  on villages  to break up the unity of  the villages  which  fortunately could not be broken by  the invaders/moguls and britishers.  One village is considered One family and the boy and girl living there brother and sister, therefore can not marry even if of different Castes/Gotrs..  rgds. beniwal      

 

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From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Sent: Wednesday, 27 February 2013 6:51 AM
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Supreme Court Collegium

A Khap is traditionally a conclave of the Panches of 84 villages. The 360 Khap is one such Khap of Delhi Region centred approximately in Palam village comprising 360 surrounding villages.

On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 12:07 AM, kiran shaheen <kiranshaheen@gmail.com> wrote:

What is 360 Khap? Please elaborate.

Regards,

Kiran

On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 10:37 PM, Babubhai Vaghela <vaghelabd@yahoo.com> wrote:

(1) Focus is scandalous and shamelessly shoddy arrangement called SC
Collegium to hijack positions of highest  level Judicial Positions.
(2) I sincerely apologise if I, albeit inadvertantly and certainly not
intentionally, hurt the feelings of any social group persons. .

On 2/26/13, Diwan Singh <diwans2007@gmail.com> wrote:
> Babulalji,
>
> Thanks for remembering Khap Panchayats. I belong to a village in Delhi that
> comes under the Delhi 360 Khap - popularly known as Palam360 covering
> around 500 villages of Delhi and some from Haryana.
>
> What hurt me is that you compared Khaps with SC collegium, though you
> rightly pointed out that khaps decisions are made in open and democratic. A
> khap is a consensus based decision making practice. Contrary to media
> reports, it never had any violence in its practice, in the past or today.
> Khap is a wall that the invaders might had managed to cross but could never
> demolish.
>
> What is Khap? If there is a problem within the family- all members sit
> together and take decision. If in the colony or village, all residents i.e
> Gram Sabha come together and decide. If in a group of villages, called

> *tappa,
> *people from all the tappa villages similarly come together. Khap is a

> third tier institution consisting of about 100 or more villages. A khap or
> a tappa or a Gram Sabha has no police power, nor it ever had in history, as
> its  style of working is not based on use of force. People are free to
> refuse its decisions without any fear of violence.
>
> The modern courts have failed all over the world, as we regularly resort to
> mediation centres. As far as settling disputes is concerned, the khaps are
> age old mediation practice.
> Khap is a third tier institution, where no case of sagotra  marriage come
> to it. Yet, it has been dragged into it by the media.
>
> It will be too much in detail, if I tell you about Khaps. A little light on
> some features of the khap region will make your understanding clear.
>
> - No Sati Pratha ever
> - Widow Remarriage
> - No bonded labor
> - No feudalism
> - sports orientation
> - Brahmanical ritualism at lowest
> - No animal sacrifice.
> - Pure vegetarianism.
> - Khap regions have been the most crime free regions even in the modern
> day.
>
>
> The 360 villages of Delhi managed to protect themselves from any conversion
> because they could organize, defend and negotiate with the Mughals.
>
> Khaps are the last temples of direct democracy and if destroyed, we may
> never regain. It is difficult to convey the truth in some sentences when
> the reader is already biased with heavy bombardment of media slur. I only
> wish the readers try to learn more about khaps lest we lose something so
> precious. If they are bad, ban them, The Britishers banned them after 1857,
> because in Delhi and all around, it is the khaps who waged that war. But,
> if they are good and useful, we may repent.
>
> The media slur against khaps is not about good or bad; it is about control
> of resources; it is about rural vs urban; it is about centralization vs
> decentralization; it is about capitalism vs socialism.
>
> Diwan Singh 9212061046
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 6:22 AM, Babubhai Vaghela
> <vaghelabd@yahoo.com>wrote:
>
>> Dear All, Supreme Court Collegium, to me, is worst than Khap Panchayat
>> that atleast work openly unlike Collegium working secretly.  It is
>> hightime that the Collegium is declared Arbitrary, Undemocratic,
>> Illegal and Unconstitutional Body - A Dark Blot on Democracy.
>> Regards,.
>>
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