Are you against IAC of Mr. Anna & Mr. Kejriwal? And who were those 5 people who on 10/2/2007 coined name IAC ? And what was need to coin IAC at that time ? What are your expectations for a genuine IAC ?
You are very genuine person. Just detail full story for the newcomers for their knowledge to better understand the issues.
I will be obliged.
PC Bali
From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
Sent: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 18:11:33
To: hum@lists.riseup.net
Subject: [Hum] [IAC] Arvind Kejriwal and party no longer with IAC movement
From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
Sent: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 18:11:33
To: hum@lists.riseup.net
Subject: [Hum] [IAC] Arvind Kejriwal and party no longer with IAC movement
Sir
I can say in all modesty that on 10.Feb.2007 I coined the phrase "India Against Corruption". to describe 5 people (representing "India") ranged against Arvind (personifying "Corruption"). I think subconsciously Arvind / Manish remembered that phrase and used it later on.
Long before that a legal body in the name and style of India Against Corruption had filed a Petition/Application in your Allahabad High Court in early '70s, which latter got tagged with Raj Narain's Election Petition which was argued by Shanti Bhushanji for Raj Narain.
At IAC we have our own A-team of indigenous corruption fighters, and there is no group better than ours when it actually comes to doing something against corruption. Some of their names are on the IAC website.
Causal arm-chair Corruption Warriors may glorify pip-squeaks like Arvind and Anna as lions and compare them to Bhagat Singh and Azad, but there is a well known phrase "Let he who is without blame cast the first stone". Citizens can pose a few counter queries for IAC:-
A) Is it not true that for 3 years Mr Anna Hazare was a leashed poodle of Congress because of the Justice P.B.Sawant Comm of Inquiry's Report ?. Is it not interesting that a State Govt appoints a Task Force to over-turn Justice Sawant's CoI Report indicting 4 Ministers and Mr. Hazare for rampant Corruption and maladministration.
B) Is it not unheard of that Mr Kejriwal's wife has been continuously posted in Delhi/NCR for 20(?) years, and for many years has been in the Serious Fraud Office which investigates the same corrupt people whom Arvind rails (blackmails ???) against outside. (Is Arvind any better than those advocates who openly practice before their uncle's court). Do the Kejriwal's have some made in China Wall of secrecy between them at home ?. How is it that Arvind's rank and his wife's rank moved in-step together till 2011 even though for 6 years he was absconding and consorting with foreign NGOs and accepting huge amounts
of foreign money.
C) Can Arvind deny that he accepted huge amounts of foreign exchange to conduct RTI inquiries to procure confidential bio-datas of serving senior public servants and then passed these on to the people (foreigners) who paid for him when he was not reporting for duty in the guise of "RTI Research".
These are not questions which Govt is asking or which Congress's DigVijaySingh is asking - Arvind's own former comrades also want to
know !! What sort of answer is it when Team Arvind says "all this information about Arvind is with the Govt and they should publish it"?
Why doesn't Arvind put the same information suo-moto into public domain which will clear his name and establish his bonafides -UNLESS HE IS GUILTY !!! Is Arvind as much a leashed sarkari poodle as Anna Hazare is.
Why is it that when Arvind & Co. get information they make a lot of noise (storm in a teaccup) from which nothing results. Empty vessels make the most noise.
When I got information about an extremely corrupt Union Minister, I got him removed in exactly 12 days and within 3 months Govt recovered over 3,000 crores from parties he had favoured - and because of a registered (letter) PIL which I refused to withdraw despite many threats.
Finally, there is tremendous corruption in the Executive, but unfortunately nowadays the corruption in the Superior Judiciary is no better (if not actually worse).
Sarbajit Roy
On 11/12/12, Justice Kamleshwar Nath <justicekn@gmail.com> wrote:
> Is it all 'confusion worse confounded'? Is 'India Against Corruption' a
> Society; is it a Society registered under the Societies' Registration Act
> 1860? If it is not a Society, then is it merely a 'group of persons in
> association with each other' under Article 19(1)(c) of Constitution of
> India? If yes, then what are the particulars of each of the persons in the
> 'group'? Is it a legal entity entitled to sue and liable to be sued; if so,
> by what name?
>
> Now please do not mar the fair concept of India Against Corruption, because
> the CONCEPT has helped the PEOPLE to stand up as ONE throughout the length
> and breadth of the Country against the prevailing massive Corruption all
> around. The genius of the man who created the 'phrase' deserves praise;
> and if he and his supporters do not want to debunk the concept, they may
> give serious thought to convert IAC into a regular Society as known to Law,
> and join hands with Arvind Kejriwal, Prashant Bhushan, Kiran Bedi and
> several other anti-corruption crusaders well recognized by the People as
> leaders of anti-corruption movement.
>
> It is recognized by all that a 'political alternative' is absolutely
> necessary for making an effective dent into current political inertia of
> protecting crime and corruption. Pro-crime/corruption takes shelter behind
> the so-called representative character of our Parliament because they know
> that they can successfully thwart any anti-corruption measure through
> Parliament. History records PM Narasimha Rao's corruption in Jharkhand
> Mukti
> Morcha matter to prevent the fall of his Government, that for 50 years the
> Parliamentary snags have prevented enacting an effective Lokpal Act, that
> properties continue to be amassed in Benami Transactions despite Benami
> Transactions (Prohibition) Act 1988 through the device of not framing Rules
> to effectuate the Statute, that persons with criminal antecedents continue
> to be elected to Parliament and Legislatures, that Section 8(4) of
> Representation of People Act, which is blatantly supportive of a Convicted
> Parliamentarian or Legislator, is not repealed, that in effect vast
> majority
> of Members of Parliament and Legislatures do not represent the aspirations
> of the People who elect them, that Parliamentary Privilege of immunity from
> action under Article 105(2)/ 194(2) of the Constitution continue to be
> abused, that no roll of their duties was ever framed to be performed
> within
> their Constituencies or some sort of monitoring of their performance for
> the
> People to see - so on & so forth. The manner in which important laws are
> not
> framed under the so-called Supremacy of Parliament, despite repeated
> pronouncements of Supreme Court that Sovereignty vests in the People and
> only the Constitution of India is 'Supreme' - all call for a credible
I can say in all modesty that on 10.Feb.2007 I coined the phrase "India Against Corruption". to describe 5 people (representing "India") ranged against Arvind (personifying "Corruption"). I think subconsciously Arvind / Manish remembered that phrase and used it later on.
This IAC organisation is associated with Hindustan RepublicanAssociation linked with ChandraShekhar Azad, Bhagat Singh etc and is
now run by one Dr Sanyal (originally from Kanpur) who is the nephew (or maybe grand nephew) of Sachindranath Sanyal (HRA's founder) who was hanged in Kakori Conspiracy Case in 1925. I believe the Society/Association is still functioning and has even fought an election or 2. In fact Arvind was going to launch his party first on 15.Aug, then on 2.Oct with IAC name, but in view of this little problem they had to twice postpone and now need a new name.
As the genius who coined the phrase India Against Corruption for this modern DharmYuddh which stirred the nation, I have absolutely no intention of joining hands (or sharing any platform) with notoriously corrupt or massively foreign financed persons like Anna, Kiran Bedi, Medha Patkar or Arvnd Kejriwal etc.At IAC we have our own A-team of indigenous corruption fighters, and there is no group better than ours when it actually comes to doing something against corruption. Some of their names are on the IAC website.
Causal arm-chair Corruption Warriors may glorify pip-squeaks like Arvind and Anna as lions and compare them to Bhagat Singh and Azad, but there is a well known phrase "Let he who is without blame cast the first stone". Citizens can pose a few counter queries for IAC:-
A) Is it not true that for 3 years Mr Anna Hazare was a leashed poodle of Congress because of the Justice P.B.Sawant Comm of Inquiry's Report ?. Is it not interesting that a State Govt appoints a Task Force to over-turn Justice Sawant's CoI Report indicting 4 Ministers and Mr. Hazare for rampant Corruption and maladministration.
B) Is it not unheard of that Mr Kejriwal's wife has been continuously posted in Delhi/NCR for 20(?) years, and for many years has been in the Serious Fraud Office which investigates the same corrupt people whom Arvind rails (blackmails ???) against outside. (Is Arvind any better than those advocates who openly practice before their uncle's court). Do the Kejriwal's have some made in China Wall of secrecy between them at home ?. How is it that Arvind's rank and his wife's rank moved in-step together till 2011 even though for 6 years he was absconding and consorting with foreign NGOs and accepting huge amounts
of foreign money.
C) Can Arvind deny that he accepted huge amounts of foreign exchange to conduct RTI inquiries to procure confidential bio-datas of serving senior public servants and then passed these on to the people (foreigners) who paid for him when he was not reporting for duty in the guise of "RTI Research".
These are not questions which Govt is asking or which Congress's DigVijaySingh is asking - Arvind's own former comrades also want to
Why doesn't Arvind put the same information suo-moto into public domain which will clear his name and establish his bonafides -UNLESS HE IS GUILTY !!! Is Arvind as much a leashed sarkari poodle as Anna Hazare is.
When I got information about an extremely corrupt Union Minister, I got him removed in exactly 12 days and within 3 months Govt recovered over 3,000 crores from parties he had favoured - and because of a registered (letter) PIL which I refused to withdraw despite many threats.
Finally, there is tremendous corruption in the Executive, but unfortunately nowadays the corruption in the Superior Judiciary is no better (if not actually worse).
Sarbajit Roy
On 11/12/12, Justice Kamleshwar Nath <justicekn@gmail.com> wrote:
> Is it all 'confusion worse confounded'? Is 'India Against Corruption' a
> Society; is it a Society registered under the Societies' Registration Act
> 1860? If it is not a Society, then is it merely a 'group of persons in
> association with each other' under Article 19(1)(c) of Constitution of
> India? If yes, then what are the particulars of each of the persons in the
> 'group'? Is it a legal entity entitled to sue and liable to be sued; if so,
> by what name?
>
> Now please do not mar the fair concept of India Against Corruption, because
> the CONCEPT has helped the PEOPLE to stand up as ONE throughout the length
> and breadth of the Country against the prevailing massive Corruption all
> around. The genius of the man who created the 'phrase' deserves praise;
> and if he and his supporters do not want to debunk the concept, they may
> give serious thought to convert IAC into a regular Society as known to Law,
> and join hands with Arvind Kejriwal, Prashant Bhushan, Kiran Bedi and
> several other anti-corruption crusaders well recognized by the People as
> leaders of anti-corruption movement.
>
> It is recognized by all that a 'political alternative' is absolutely
> necessary for making an effective dent into current political inertia of
> protecting crime and corruption. Pro-crime/corruption takes shelter behind
> the so-called representative character of our Parliament because they know
> that they can successfully thwart any anti-corruption measure through
> Parliament. History records PM Narasimha Rao's corruption in Jharkhand
> Mukti
> Morcha matter to prevent the fall of his Government, that for 50 years the
> Parliamentary snags have prevented enacting an effective Lokpal Act, that
> properties continue to be amassed in Benami Transactions despite Benami
> Transactions (Prohibition) Act 1988 through the device of not framing Rules
> to effectuate the Statute, that persons with criminal antecedents continue
> to be elected to Parliament and Legislatures, that Section 8(4) of
> Representation of People Act, which is blatantly supportive of a Convicted
> Parliamentarian or Legislator, is not repealed, that in effect vast
> majority
> of Members of Parliament and Legislatures do not represent the aspirations
> of the People who elect them, that Parliamentary Privilege of immunity from
> action under Article 105(2)/ 194(2) of the Constitution continue to be
> abused, that no roll of their duties was ever framed to be performed
> within
> their Constituencies or some sort of monitoring of their performance for
> the
> People to see - so on & so forth. The manner in which important laws are
> not
> framed under the so-called Supremacy of Parliament, despite repeated
> pronouncements of Supreme Court that Sovereignty vests in the People and
> Political Alternative in the Parliament whatever the strength of the
> 'alternative party' may be. AAM AADMI PARTY is a good name.
>
>
>
> The Nation will be grateful if the confusion is cleared at the
> earliest. May God be with you in your ventures of National Causes. With
> Deepawali Greetings,
>
>
>
> Yours sincerely,
>
> KN
>
> From the Desk of :
>
> Justice Kamleshwar Nath
>
> Retd.
>
> Up-Lokayukta ( Karnataka ),
>
> Vice Chairman - C.A.T ( Allahabad ),
>
> Judge - High Court ( Lucknow & Allahabad )
>
> Address
> `Gunjan', C - 105, Niralanagar, Lucknow : 226 020. Uttar Pradesh, India
> Phone(s)
> +91-522-2789033 & +91-522-4016459. Mobile : +91-9415010746
> 'alternative party' may be. AAM AADMI PARTY is a good name.
>
>
>
> The Nation will be grateful if the confusion is cleared at the
> earliest. May God be with you in your ventures of National Causes. With
> Deepawali Greetings,
>
>
>
> Yours sincerely,
>
> KN
>
> From the Desk of :
>
> Justice Kamleshwar Nath
>
> Retd.
>
> Up-Lokayukta ( Karnataka ),
>
> Vice Chairman - C.A.T ( Allahabad ),
>
> Judge - High Court ( Lucknow & Allahabad )
>
> Address
> `Gunjan', C - 105, Niralanagar, Lucknow : 226 020. Uttar Pradesh, India
> Phone(s)
> +91-522-2789033 & +91-522-4016459. Mobile : +91-9415010746
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