Re: [HumJanenge] Rules for Improving India using the Right to Information laws

In my case, i got the information, scrutinized it, filed complaint
with the PA to stop the illegal pensions, then filed RTI to find
action taken. as no action was taken, filed a writ in the high court.
I do not understand what are inconvenient questions. if the
information is there it is either to be published under section 4 or
be provided by demand.
how can we be able to not give any chance to the PIO to deny
informatoin using exemption clause or trick.
Please find attached an RTI filed by me and the reply from a PIO.
Please suggest what to do and how will the above methodology help.
though information was part of section 4(1)(b) and not published, the
PIO has not supplied it.

On 10/9/11, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes, you and Manoj Kamra etc are starting to understand the process.
>
> RTI is NOT a process to get information (which you can hardly do anything
> with anyway), but to ASK inconvenient questions which the PA cannot answer
> (and which we dont want him to answer).
>
> To do this successfully, we must
>
> A) use the PA's own information and processes against them, and get them to
> start passing the buck to each other and widening the circle..
>
> B) Pose absolutely perfect questions (in the garb of seeking information)
>
> C) Give no chance for the PIO to deny information using any exemption /
> trick available to him under the RTI Act and Rules.
>
> D) Use the PIOs reply (which you must understand carefully for what it does
> NOT say) to your best advantage.
>
> By this means we are MISUSING RTI Act (since we dont actually need the
> information) but are simply posing inconvenient questions and keeping the
> flame burning. This strategy works on the assumption that there are enough
> HONEST "babus" who knoiw how to use your RTI to save themselves within their
> own rules and regulations..
>
> Sarbajit
>
> On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Abhimanyu
> <who.will.file.rti@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Sarbajit.
>> in most of the cases they do not give us information but they stop the
>> corruption in that perticular case within 3 days ...repeat ... within only
>> 3
>> days
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 9:19 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> YOU (???) stopped this pension scam. It is not YOUR place to stop it. It
>>> is the job of the Govt (incl. its own agencies) to monitor itself to see
>>> that such scams do not occur / continue.
>>>
>>> Let me assume for a moment that you are an "RTI activist". How did you
>>> USE
>>> RTI to stop this scam. (Or did you "mis"use RTI to stop this scam ?). Did
>>> you get information and what did you do with it ?
>>>
>>> Sarbajit
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 8:56 AM, sandeep kumar
>>> <drsandgupta@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sir,
>>>> By using RTI, I have been able to stop illegal old age pensions (being
>>>> given to dead) to about 1 lakh beneficiaries. A lot of people may be
>>>> misusing RTI but a still larger number is using RTI for good cause.
>>>>
>>>> On 10/9/11, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > RULE # 1:
>>>> >
>>>> > *RTI Act is not to be used, it is to be "mis"used.*
>>>> >
>>>> > This simple rule must be strictly followed if one is to achieve
>>>> anything
>>>> > useful using RTI.
>>>> >
>>>> > Whenever you ask an "RTI activist" why they file RTIs and what they
>>>> will do
>>>> > with the info (if they ever get it), the usual reply they give you is
>>>> > because the Govt "babus" are completely corrupt they will a) expose
>>>> this
>>>> > information in the media b) file a PIL. Both these strategies are so
>>>> hollow
>>>> > that it is no wonder that nothing substantial ever gets achieved.The
>>>> real
>>>> > ways for an average citizen to use RTI to make a difference are
>>>> > counter-intuitive and firmly grounded in Rule # 1 as stated above.
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Dr. Sandeep Kumar Gupta
>>>> 989, Sector 15-A, Opposite bishnoi Colony, Hisar-125001, INDIA
>>>> Phone: 91-99929-31181
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

--
Dr. Sandeep Kumar Gupta
989, Sector 15-A, Opposite bishnoi Colony, Hisar-125001, INDIA
Phone: 91-99929-31181