Dear Mr DSouza Wilberious Evanglist,
Thanks for immediate response – You accuse me that I have become emotional and my reasoning has become blunt. After reading your reply I readily accept your accusation! You say your are not in the age group to recline in armchair – It is good that you are young and energetic.
Indian Constitution provides universal adult franchise. Every Indian has a fundamental right to contest any election and nobody can prevent him. I am not aware that our Constitution and Election laws have a provision for a referendum. If so, it has never been used since Independence . If you want a referendum for a constitutional authority like Commissioner of People - Lokpal, then why not for all other constitutional authorities like CVC – Chief Vigilance Commissioner, CEC – Chief Election Commissioner, CAG – Comptroller and Auditor General, Chief Justice of Supreme Court etc?
On your required qualification for the candidate for Lokpal, I do not find the words, Integrity & Honesty, you only want him to be "Person should be erudite in law & constitution"
You say "Profile of the candidate should be made public on internet / newspapers" – Today also the profile of all candidates contesting any election is made public by news papers – Has it in any way helped in electing an honest & deserving person? Tomorrow also the same thing will happen.
You say "He/she shall be a true Commissioner/ess of The People of India, free, fair, equitable & fearless." (I have great aversion to the word "shall"). If I am not mistaken, this is the basic requirement of each and every elected representative and bureaucrat. Has it happened? And will it happen in India ?
Are you suggesting a "screening process" for candidates for this referendum? Who will do this screening? (you are back to square one). Under which constitutional provision, can you prevent a dishonest person from contesting this referendum?
I am very happy you are placing great faith in Indian population to approve proper person when it comes to referendum. If this is true, one wonders why they have not rejected even a single dishonest, corrupt and known criminal (even contesting from jail!) and elected an honest and capable person.
Your quotation "ABSOLUTE POWER CORRUPTS ABSOLUTELY!" is very apt. I am not sure whether Anna Hazare's stringent Jan Lokpal law will create a Prabhu of Praja in my humble opinion your this referendum will definitely create one.
You talk about "accountability" – even today every body is accountable – Prime Minister, Cabinet, Ministers, MP's, MLS's all elected representatives are accountable. Is it working? How suddenly will it change with new elected Lokpal?
As I don't know Urdu, I am just unable to appreciate your quotes.
Our Hindu Sanathana Dharam admonishes "SATYAM VADA" (tell only truth), "DHARMAM CHARA" (follow the dharma), and I am sure all other religions including Christianity may have such admonitions.
Has it happened in last 5000+ years? They have not been able to instill "fear of GOD" in even a single person.
I can comment on many other points raised, but I will stop here.
Having said all, in the final analysis, I would only request, allow Anna Hazary to draft his bill. Mr Veerappa Moili will introduce a watered down weak Lokpal bill in the Parliament. Let us hope at least it will remove some bottle necks in the existing Legislation and some more corrupt people will get prosecuted and they are awarded exemplary punishment expeditiously. Which I hope will instill some fear in people not to be corrupt.
As I already mentioned "Even if Anna Hazare resumes his fast and dies - nothing is going to change - All we may do is erect a statue of him like we have done for the so called Father of the Nation Mahatma Gandhi!!!"
Warn regards / mathre rangarajan
From: DSouza Wilberious Evanglist <wilevades@yahoo.co.uk>
To: "rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com" <rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Friday, 1 July 2011 5:22 PM
Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] From WEDS to Anna Hazare & others who espouse the cause pf Lok Pal bill
Dear Rangarajan,
There is an old saying that "when one becomes emotional reasoning becomes blunt"
My e-mail message did not connote what you have interpreted. I shall reproduce wht I had proposed earlier. That will clarify. I am not in that age group when I have to recline in armchair.
Please read the following which were my propositions.
It is time, people of India chose a Commissioner of People (LokPal) by themselves. Profile of the candidate should be made public on internet newspapers. Person should be erudite in law & constitution as this person will make President, Governors all states, CJIs of Supreme Court of India & all High Courts accountable to People of India with he or she by himself or herself accountable to People of India.
About 4 years ago I had suggested to then Election Commissioner Navin Chawla of issuing smart card ids to all citizens of India eligible to vote & using by suitable interfacing with ATM networks all over the country, to be coordinated by National Informatics Centre of Government of India so that entire nation votes for assembly & Parliament election simultaneously on a single day, with results out on the very next day. No reply has been received yet. This would save billions of Rupees to nation. Nandan Nilekani headed UID project is least heard nowadays.
Similar means can be adapted for referendum for election of Lokpal as he/she will not be obliged to any executive of this country (executive having the same connotation as found in Art 12 of The Constitution of India). He/she shall be a true Commissioner/ess of The People of India, free, fair, equitable & fearless. Accountability to People of India should exist otherwise it would be a paradox of when one becomes Prabhu of Praja, he/she ceases to be Praja for ABSOLUTE POWER CORRUPTS ABSOLUTELY!
Similar process should have been adopted in appointment of CICs & SICs as well as State Lokayuktas. We would not have had unskilled workers quarrelling with tools. Nor failed dentists or Tehsildars being elevated to SICs E.g. Dr H.N.Krishna SIC Karnataka. Or Do as I say but Don't Do What I Do Lokayukta of Karnataka Justice K.S.Hegde!
Only when Lok Pal is elected by referendum he/she will act freely fearlessly & independently with accountability to people. If alternatively he/ she is nominated by the executive of State (as per Art. 12 of Constitution of India) he/she will be enslaved to executive. If you appoint me to a post where I have to function freely fearlessly & independently, I cannot ignore the fact that you had appointed me.
There are THREE sayings in Urdu.
1. DOODH KA DHULA HUA KOI NAHIN.
2. JAMBOORIYAT WOH TARZ E HUKUMAT HAI JISMEIN INSAAN KO GINA JAATAA HAI MAGAR TOALAA NAHIN JAATAA.
3. EK HI ULLU KAAPHI THA BARBAAD GULISTAAN KARNE KO; IDHAR HAR SHAAKH PE ULLU BHAITHA HAI ANJAAM E GULISTAAN KYA HOGA.
Please note that in my suggestion Lok Pal will be accountable to public. all proceedings of cases should be made available on website of LokPal. Lok Pal before being eklected will address the nation in different state languages on TV. this address with his complete profile should be available on Government of India official website. He or she should declare assets & liabilities & last income-tax
return should be availble on website. these should be published on every nrewspapers of all vernacular languages, by all newspapers free of charge to state.
Regards,
WEDS
From: Mathre Rangarajan <rangajan@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Friday, 1 July 2011, 9:05
Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] From WEDS to Anna Hazare & others who espouse the cause pf Lok Pal bill
Dear Mr DSouza Wilberious Evanglist,
My two-bit for whatever it is worth.
In the first para your are advocating another parallel body to Government to be elected directly by the people - Firstly, presently, only currupt are gettting elected, so where is the gauretee that the newly elected Lokpal will be honest? Secndly, no where in the world we have two parallel directly elected bodies one to oversee the other. Dont you think this propostorous idea rediculas!!
Secondly - you are telling that Anna Hazare is trying to run a parallel government - All he asked for is a strong Lokpal Bill - It is your so called elected Government, which gave him the powers to draft the bill with his cronies (as you have put it). A frail old man without any formal organisation under him is trying to run a parallel Government is, again just rediculas. What are you affraid of!!
Thirdly you say that they and every body else should go to the grass root level and ask people to write to their MPs, who in turn should take up in the Parleament. Today every MP from the day he is elected, just forgets his consitituents, I have not heard of a single MP listning to people (in the real sense). If you think MPs and Parleament will do something - then why the same elected Parleament has not considered the Lokpal bill presented to it (in whatever the form) for the past 60 years since Indipendence!! Will this happen now? Forget it!
I think you are living in a Utopian world and your arm-chair thinking has no practical value.
What Anna Hazary and his cronis are asking may be propostorous. Ultimately it is upto our law minister Sri Veerappa Moili to introduce the bill in the Parleament and for your elected Parleament to pass it. Even if Anna Hazare resumes his fast and dies - nothing is going to chage - All we may do is erect a statue of him like we have done for the so called Father of the Nation Mahatma Gandhi!!!
From: DSouza Wilberious Evanglist <wilevades@yahoo.co.uk>
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Sent: Friday, 1 July 2011 7:24 AM
Subject: [rti4empowerment] From WEDS to Anna Hazare & others who espouse the cause pf Lok Pal bill
Dear Hazare,
While I do concede that corruption is rampant in our country & it has become a canker worm. An authority such as LokPal elected directly by people of India is essential who will surveil President , Governors of States, Prime Minister, Council of Ministers, Chief Ministers of States, Parliamentarians, Chief Justice of India, Chief Justices of all state High Courts & is accountable to the people. However, Anna Hazare or his associates or Ramdev are not representatives of People. In democracy after an elected government is installed, people can represent via the elected MPs from each constituency about any issue & if majority of people do so, the elected government is bound to implement their wishes. Anna Hazare, his other associates & Ramdev do not have mandate of people. Hence, Kapil Sibbal's ironic it may appear, remark that Anna Hazare is trying to run a parallel government is right. So also is the ouster of Ramdev & his supporters from Ramlila grounds.
So, as the cause Anna Hazare has espoused is very relevant what he and his associates should do is to travel to the length & breadth of India, convince people to sign a memorandum insisting for installation of Lok Pal, amend constitution therefor, submit that memorandum via the MPs of various constituencies in our country against valid acknowledgement & undertaking to submit it to Parliament of India for deliberation. If there is a democratic majority, the elected government is bound to enact Lok Pal bill in the manner people choose. It is undemocratic to fast unto death, shouting slogans, holding processions etc. These do not have mandate of people & mandate of People very essential which that only an elected government has. So however, relevant the cause Anna Hazare & others have espoused & the manner in which it is being furthered becomes subversion of democracy as they do not have mandate of people & their acts a breach of public peace.
Regards,
WEDS
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