Re: [HumJanenge] Re: [HumJanenge-YG] “Dear RTI Activist, please solve my problem for free”

General Singh,

The Central Government and some State Governments have notified "Appeal Procedure" Rules.

The second appeals to the commission have to be as per the prescribed rules.

For example, the CIC Appeal procedure Rules state:

3. Contents of appeal:

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4. Documents to accompany appeal

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iii) an Index of documents accompanying the appeal.

The appellant has to at least conform to the appeal procedure rules.

CIC is a "class" based institution and you belong to the "special" category.

Ordinary mortals have had their appeals returned on even less frivolous grounds.

Quite a few of the Registry's in the CIC are staffed by interns these days and that could be one reason why your appeals have gone through and others ave been rejected.

In AP, the appeal procedure rules (GO 66 of 2006) are so cumbersome, that even today, 6 years after the RTI Act came into force, 40% of the second appeals are "returned" since they do not conform to the appeal procedure rules.

There is no format for a RTI application for Central PAs (like in Chandigarh). Some States have prescribed formats (Odisha and Maharashtra being two of them) for applications. But a RTI application cannot be rejected simply because it is not in the proper format, as long as the information in the application has all the fields as in the prescribed format.

RTIwanted

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From: vinay singh <vinay4299@gmail.com>
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 1, 2011 11:16 AM
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Re: [HumJanenge-YG] "Dear RTI Activist, please solve my problem for free"

I find that the format of the complaints and 2nd  appeals being
recommended is similar to what is being followed in the high courts
and supreme courts. This is not necessary. Neither is it necessary to
use legalese like 'most respectfully sheweth ', 'Hon'ble Commission'
and so on.  Even the consumer forums have started following a similar
format, with index, synopsis, list of dates and so on. This is one of
the reasons a common citizen has to employ a lawyer.

I have filed about 50 complaints and 2nd appeals with the CIC, without
index, synopsis, list of dates and so on. All of been admitted and
heard. The best option is to keep it simple. The person reading it
will be happy if he has to read 2 pages instead of 4.

In an interesting case, the Chandigarh Information Commission find the
rgeistrar of societies who refused to accept my RTI application
because  it was not in the 'format' that he wanted.

Maj Gen VK Singh (Retd)

On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 10:52 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Col Kurup
>
> Welcome Home !! You will find so many of your former brother in arms on this
> channel. We are also now a disciplined and fighting fit force, and
> troublemakers (so called RTI activists) are put on KP or latrine duty.
>
> Sarbajit
>
> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 9:26 AM, Col NR Kurup <colnrkurup@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Mr.Sarbajit Roy,
>>
>> I had kept myself out of circulation from all our RTI Groups since
>> last one year mainly due to my inability to sustain the in-fighting Of
>> course I kept myself away from it. Since last few days I started to
>> have a peep in my old forums.  Things seems cooled down. Do you think
>> I can sustain and can start to become active now ?.
>>
>> With warm regards
>> Col NR Kurup
>>
>> On 01/07/2011, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > There are 2 good places to get your problems solved free.
>> > a) This mailing list
>> > b) http://rtiindia.org  (run by Mr Karira and others)
>> >
>> > the "b" option is the preferred one.. Once you have reached some
>> > conclusion
>> > there, you ought to post the final draft 2nd appeal evolved for the
>> > consideration of this group's more advanced members..
>> >
>> > Sarbajit
>> >
>> > On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 7:45 AM, AVTAR SINGH
>> > <avtarsingh119@hotmail.com>wrote:
>> >
>> >>  Dear Sarabjit Roy,
>> >>
>> >> I am a rertired officer from defence.
>> >> I along with 200 officers have won our case regarding pension at three
>> >> different benches of AFT,
>> >> The plea has been identical and judgement similar. The judgement was
>> >> delivered on 16 Sep 2010,1 Nov 2011 and 25 Nov 2011.
>> >>
>> >> Though the stipulated period of three/four months has elapsed we have
>> >> not
>> >> got our dues.
>> >>
>> >> One of our fellow ranling officers who was not a petitioner have have
>> >> filed
>> >> two RTIS on 15 and a6 marcg 2011.
>> >>
>> >> The reminder for this was sent as first appeal to the appellate
>> >> authority
>> >> on 15 may 2011 and 18 June 2011
>> >>
>> >> We now propose to file second appeal to CIC.
>> >>
>> >> Can you suggest some expert of RTI around Delhi who could assist us in
>> >> filing second appeal to CIC.
>> >>
>> >> regards
>> >>
>> >> Avtar Singh
>> >> 1-7-2011
>> >>
>> >>  ------------------------------
>> >> Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 07:03:48 +0530
>> >> Subject: [HumJanenge] Re: [HumJanenge-YG] "Dear RTI Activist, please
>> >> solve
>> >> my problem for free"
>> >> From: sroy.mb@gmail.com
>> >> To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Dear Karira ("rtiwanted")
>> >>
>> >> Many thanks for finally getting Mr Krishnaraj Rao to openly admit that
>> >> he
>> >> is in the business of filing RTI applications and negotiating deals to
>> >> "defend" people's assets for a charge. The bonafides of his so-called
>> >> RTI
>> >> Users Association are completely exposed by this statement.
>> >>
>> >> Secondly, if we recall his "hunger strike" at Anna's vilage of Ralegaon
>> >> Siddhi, it is quite obvious that he is only trying to replicate (in his
>> >> own
>> >> small way) Anna's own "business" model.
>> >>
>> >> Personally, I condemn such commercial minded people who are a blot on
>> >> the
>> >> RTI moivement, the less we interact with them the better. At
>> >> HumJanenge-Googlegroups we are trying to make this a group for selfless
>> >> people who freely asisst each other to further the RTI movement for
>> >> nation
>> >> building.
>> >>
>> >> Sarbajit
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 1:46 PM, Krishnaraj Rao
>> >> <sahasipadyatri@gmail.com>wrote:
>> >>
>> >> **
>> >>
>> >>  Dear Jam,
>> >>
>> >> My conclusion is:
>> >>
>> >> 1) RTI activists/experts should reasonably charge private parties whose
>> >> assets they defend, provided the parties are capable of bearing the
>> >> charge.
>> >>
>> >> 2) In private matters where there is a very large element of public
>> >> interest, they may consider not charging.
>> >>
>> >> 3) They should not charge citizens who are working for public interest.
>> >> In
>> >> fact, for such citizens, they should go out of their way to help with
>> >> time
>> >> and monetary resources.
>> >>
>> >> 4) For ensuring the health of the RTI movement, they have a multiple
>> >> responsibility. They have to act in such a way that:
>> >> a) Public Interest is paramount in all that they do or say.
>> >> b) People who uphold public interest remain in good financial health.
>> >> c) Private parties get good quality service and growing numbers of
>> >> service-providers (paid) or guidance-providers (free) to choose from.
>> >> d) There is plenty of self-help knowledge available in the public
>> >> domain
>> >> so
>> >> that people take the paid services out of free choice, and not because
>> >> of
>> >> lack of access to information.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for your interest in this discussion.
>> >>
>> >> Warm Regards,
>> >> Krish
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 10:06 AM, C K Jam <rtiwanted@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > **
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Krishnaraj,
>> >> >
>> >> > So, what is your conclusion ?
>> >> >
>> >> > Should RTI activists/helpers/consultants/experts/etc charge citizens
>> >> > or
>> >> not
>> >> > ?
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