Re: [HumJanenge] Re: [HumJanenge-YG] “Dear RTI Activist, please solve my problem for free”

Dear Col Kurup

Welcome Home !! You will find so many of your former brother in arms on this channel. We are also now a disciplined and fighting fit force, and troublemakers (so called RTI activists) are put on KP or latrine duty.

Sarbajit

On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 9:26 AM, Col NR Kurup <colnrkurup@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Mr.Sarbajit Roy,

I had kept myself out of circulation from all our RTI Groups since
last one year mainly due to my inability to sustain the in-fighting Of
course I kept myself away from it. Since last few days I started to
have a peep in my old forums.  Things seems cooled down. Do you think
I can sustain and can start to become active now ?.

With warm regards
Col NR Kurup

On 01/07/2011, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
> There are 2 good places to get your problems solved free.
> a) This mailing list
> b) http://rtiindia.org  (run by Mr Karira and others)
>
> the "b" option is the preferred one.. Once you have reached some conclusion
> there, you ought to post the final draft 2nd appeal evolved for the
> consideration of this group's more advanced members..
>
> Sarbajit
>
> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 7:45 AM, AVTAR SINGH
> <avtarsingh119@hotmail.com>wrote:
>
>>  Dear Sarabjit Roy,
>>
>> I am a rertired officer from defence.
>> I along with 200 officers have won our case regarding pension at three
>> different benches of AFT,
>> The plea has been identical and judgement similar. The judgement was
>> delivered on 16 Sep 2010,1 Nov 2011 and 25 Nov 2011.
>>
>> Though the stipulated period of three/four months has elapsed we have not
>> got our dues.
>>
>> One of our fellow ranling officers who was not a petitioner have have
>> filed
>> two RTIS on 15 and a6 marcg 2011.
>>
>> The reminder for this was sent as first appeal to the appellate authority
>> on 15 may 2011 and 18 June 2011
>>
>> We now propose to file second appeal to CIC.
>>
>> Can you suggest some expert of RTI around Delhi who could assist us in
>> filing second appeal to CIC.
>>
>> regards
>>
>> Avtar Singh
>> 1-7-2011
>>
>>  ------------------------------
>> Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 07:03:48 +0530
>> Subject: [HumJanenge] Re: [HumJanenge-YG] "Dear RTI Activist, please solve
>> my problem for free"
>> From: sroy.mb@gmail.com
>> To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
>>
>>
>> Dear Karira ("rtiwanted")
>>
>> Many thanks for finally getting Mr Krishnaraj Rao to openly admit that he
>> is in the business of filing RTI applications and negotiating deals to
>> "defend" people's assets for a charge. The bonafides of his so-called RTI
>> Users Association are completely exposed by this statement.
>>
>> Secondly, if we recall his "hunger strike" at Anna's vilage of Ralegaon
>> Siddhi, it is quite obvious that he is only trying to replicate (in his
>> own
>> small way) Anna's own "business" model.
>>
>> Personally, I condemn such commercial minded people who are a blot on the
>> RTI moivement, the less we interact with them the better. At
>> HumJanenge-Googlegroups we are trying to make this a group for selfless
>> people who freely asisst each other to further the RTI movement for nation
>> building.
>>
>> Sarbajit
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 1:46 PM, Krishnaraj Rao
>> <sahasipadyatri@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>> **
>>
>>  Dear Jam,
>>
>> My conclusion is:
>>
>> 1) RTI activists/experts should reasonably charge private parties whose
>> assets they defend, provided the parties are capable of bearing the
>> charge.
>>
>> 2) In private matters where there is a very large element of public
>> interest, they may consider not charging.
>>
>> 3) They should not charge citizens who are working for public interest. In
>> fact, for such citizens, they should go out of their way to help with time
>> and monetary resources.
>>
>> 4) For ensuring the health of the RTI movement, they have a multiple
>> responsibility. They have to act in such a way that:
>> a) Public Interest is paramount in all that they do or say.
>> b) People who uphold public interest remain in good financial health.
>> c) Private parties get good quality service and growing numbers of
>> service-providers (paid) or guidance-providers (free) to choose from.
>> d) There is plenty of self-help knowledge available in the public domain
>> so
>> that people take the paid services out of free choice, and not because of
>> lack of access to information.
>>
>> Thanks for your interest in this discussion.
>>
>> Warm Regards,
>> Krish
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 10:06 AM, C K Jam <rtiwanted@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> > **
>> >
>> >
>> > Krishnaraj,
>> >
>> > So, what is your conclusion ?
>> >
>> > Should RTI activists/helpers/consultants/experts/etc charge citizens or
>> not
>> > ?
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