Re: [IAC#RG] COMPLAINT : CASHLESS FRAUDs

Polls have failed in America and many other countries.Beside two months ahead before the election is a long time.May reason prevail rather than propaganda.

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From: indiaresists-request@lists.riseup.net <indiaresists-request@lists.riseup.net> on behalf of MG Kapoor <mgkapoor.1962@gmail.com>
Sent: January 6, 2017 7:00 AM
To: Sarbajit Roy
Cc: Ramarao V. Bodapati; indiaresists; governor@rbi.org.in; pmosb pmo; Finance Minister GOI; Home Minister Govt of INDIA; cabinetsy@nic.in; Nirmala Sitharaman; parakala@parakala.org; Samir Srivastava; Madhav Nalapat; Bojji Rajaram; cmdelhi
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] COMPLAINT : CASHLESS FRAUDs

 

Dear All,

Various opinion polls are predicting BJP win in UP, Uttarakhand and Goa.

I traveled to UP and Uttarakhand in  November. I found even erstwhile BJP supporters cursing Modi barring of course some staunch supporters of the BJP. 

That said, my view is as under on the "Opinion Polls": 

The voter today is very clever. He won't give away his mind to the pollsters. 

Case in sight is that of Delhi polls. Opinion polls and pollsters had predicted 32 seats for the BJP and 28 for the AAP. And we all know how far this was from the reality. AAP got 60 and the BJP a single digit - a meagre three. 

Another reason being people who suffered due to demonetisation think speaking against the BJP and Modi on camera or otherwise may be inviting more troubles - which they cannot afford to have - having already been troubled. 

In fact Modi and Co has created "Fear Psychosis" in the public - like Hitler had done. Even media is gripped with this "fear psychosis". 

That is why even the media perhaps is intentionally showing such results just to please Modi - the way sycophants do. This does not augur well for a democracy. 

People are waiting for the polls. 

Time will tell the story. Let's wait for the poll results. 

Col MG Kapoor

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On 06-Jan-2017, at 7:11 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

To:

1) Shri Narendra Modi

Dishonourable Prime Minister of India

2) Shri Urjit R Patel

Dishonourable Governor of Reserve Bank of India

I second the views of Dr. Bodapati and Col MG Kapoor expressed below communicated to Govt of India today concerning "cashless" frauds.

In this connection, please see the inline 100% genuine picture below taken from PAYTM website by me today. PayTM openly says Rs. 2.29 is removed each time a citizen uses his debit card with PAYTM for a Rs.100 transaction.

Please also explain why Rs. 5,000 crores of new currency were airlifted by RBI to Lucknow and Kanpur just 2 days before Prime Minister's  speech there on December 19, 2016, and while there was no cash money available elsewhere in India on that date every bank of Kanpur was overflowing with new notes which were mainly given to BJP workers and MLAs ?

http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/amid-cash-crunch-a-mysterious-5-000-crore-influx-in-poll-bound-uttar-pradesh-1641382

Is this why women and mothers are having to strip naked in front of of Reserve Bank of India offices and banks after being denied their money and after standing in line outside RBI for days running ?

Sarbajit Roy

Honorable Citizen of Hindustan

National Convenor
India Against Corruption

B-59 Defence Colony

New Delhi 110024

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On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 6:33 PM, Ramarao V. Bodapati <rbodapati@hotmail.com> wrote:

Fwdd by B V Ramarao, PhD, for our
noble PM's Information and needed action
 

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From: mgkapoor.1962@gmail.com
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 17:30:29 +0530
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] CASHLESS FOOLS

Dear All,

I just returned after buying some items of stationery. The amount

payable was 653/-. I offered to pay by debit card or credit card - whatever was acceptable to the vendor. Vendor stated that I shall have to pay 2% over and

above the bill. On my query as to why, vendor replied that he is being

charged 2% by the debit / credit card companies. I insisted on paying through

card as I did not have enough cash and that I won't pay extra 2%. I told him

that there was a waiver of such charge for six months. He insisted that SBI

was charging him 2% on payments received through debit cards.

Anyway, seeing me adamant he agreed to charge the actual bill amount.

Here the story begins.

First he took my card and recorded complete detail of my debit card

on the computer and printed the cash memo. I objected to this. He then

offered to delete the details from the printed copies!

I again objected to that saying those details still existed on

the computer file. 

He then told me that he deleted the file (as per his version - though

I am not very sure if he actually deleted the card details from the

computer). 

Now the most interesting part. He inserted the card into the machine

and fed the amount which is not visible to us. I entered the pin. And

there you are - payment successful! 

I got the SMS alert from the Bank. I just wanted to show to him that

I had got the SMS alert - thus proving my bonafides.

And then came the horror. The amount charged was 6530/- instead of 653/-.

It could be a genuine mistake. It could well be, in the hands of

a dishonest vendor, an intentional fraud.

What if the card details still exist in the computer?

What if cyber crooks hack details of my card as also details of cards of

other buyers existing in the computer?

What if Bank SMS alert did not come in time?

What if I had not checked the SMS alert?

What, if after making the payment, I had walked away,

had I been a temporary visitor in the station?

I had always maintained that the Banks, Paytm and other such like Portals

charge transaction fee. The vendor also told that to transfer money from

Paytm account to his Bank account something like 4 to 5% charge is

levied by Paytm. 

In cash transactions such like mistakes rarely happen. One counts the cash,

any discrepancy is settled there and then.

The vendor offered to pay back the difference through. cheque - which

I declined as I am leaving for outstation. He then paid the difference through

cash.

Do you feel the gullible farmer / daily wage earner / unorganised industry labour / small time worker who is rather illiterate or not  well educated will not fall prey to such frauds, if the vendor is dishonest? 

Zara sochiye! 

MG Kapoor

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On 06-Jan-2017, at 2:08 PM, Madhav Nalapat <mdnalapat@gmail.com> wrote:

Almost 80 per cent  of black money flows through banking channels. Through methods such as under invoicing and over invoicing. Through multiple accounts now made easier via Aadhar. Cash forms a very small part of the total. What has happened is that those laundering illicit cash have kept 15 to 20 per cent from the holders. Those who regard the November 8 move as having reduced the black economy are in a dream world                

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On Jan 4, 2017, at 21:28, Samir Srivastava <srivant.samir@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,

  First let me clarify my understanding of cashless transaction and economy. When one pay by ATM/Debit/Credit Card or Cheque, then that is cashless transaction. When Cash is COMPLETELY out of the ECONOMY of a geographical area then it is (COMPLETE ) CASHLESS ECONOMY.

 

  #1) We can have similar accountability to govt in Soft Earning Unit (SEU) also. My proposal is maintain everything as such just remove the cash completely from the system. 

  #2) SEU must statutorily be exchanged for "value" . If someone finds SEU is of lesser value, then instead of keeping it with earning keeper, one can invest in SEU of other geographical area or precious metals etc.

  #3) RBI can regulate SEU also. IMHO, please go through the paper and slides on my blog http://samirsrivastava.typepad.com/ carefully. The thing which you described as magic cannot happen without HELP from customs/ govt officials. If hard currency is gone, then these magic will not happen. Moreover if you want when the internet traffic goes out of the country to "suspected web-sites" that can be avoided ISP need to implement policies.

  IMHO, The parallel economy (due to un-traceability of hard currency) is biggest hindrance in making effective economic policies. In SEU you can make effective economic policies.

  I am refraining from commenting on other political noises.

Thanks 

Samir Srivastava

On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 8:47 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

Certain people (fools) are busy promoting cashless transactiions and
removing currency totally from the economy, without understanding the
implications.

#1 CASH / CURRENCY is a measure of the liability the Government has to
the people of India.  In simple terms.CURRENCY is a measure of how
much the Government owes to the citizens.Removing Currency implies
that Government owes people nothing and can do what they want and
print money at will.

MORAL -> FASCIST Govts desperately want currency and autonomous
Central Banks eliminated.

# 2 CURRENCY Notes must statutorily be exchanged for "value" - ie.
valuable coin. Previously this was gold, now its a mix of metals like
copper and stainless steel. The difference between the intrinsic value
(ie. metal price in open market) of the coin and its face value is the
Govt's tax (called "seignorage"). Typically whenever seignorage
exceeds 25-30% the public rejects paper currency in favour of stronger
currencies and there is monetary inflation. At present India's
seignorage is 70%. No wonder the India Rupee has depreciated 100%
against Dollar because smart Indians are "exporting" their value.

MORAL -> A Rafale fighter jet costs 2x what it did during Congress
time because we now have a chaiwala as PM instead of a former RBI
Governor.

# 3 If there is no currency, then there is also no need for RBI (whose
only role is to regulate currency and money supply).  If there are no
Indian currency notes then people will devise ways and means (also
called Internet APPS) to ensure that transactions take place on
foreign websites in foreign currency but goods are "magically"
delivered in India. This is already happening Udtaa Punjab.

MORAL --> Why would anybody pay in Indian rupees on Indian websites if
a foreign supplier will anonymously deliver the goods to you without
bill after you have paid in dollars or Yen or BITCOIN ? The whole
online Pharmacy racket works on this principle.

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