Wednesday, May 6, 2015

RE: [IAC#RG] IMPORTANT: IAC PUBLIC NOTICE re: Kiran Bedi

Mr. Ahuja,
I wonder if we can go on this as Agriculture which depends on the farmer is a very vast subject. Yet I can give you some more options that the farming community would prefer rather than migrate to the city with its attendent problems of Housing, sanitation ,transportation, alienation from his community in addition to finding a suitable job
Cattle breeding-with a head count of 20 or more-milching cows or buffalo. Where do you think Amul and other dairies get their supply from. There are gathering centres for milk in the villages.
Becoming a small businessman in the nearby town-a retail outlet or a kind he can mange, still keeping the base in his ancestral village.
Joining politics- by cultivating contacts with the MLA/MP of the area and moving up through the Panchayat route. A case was reported from Punjab where a farmer spent Rs.5 million for a Samiti-2nd tier panchayat institution. I also know of a case in NCR of a similar nature but half the amount.
One son,usually the eldest  will take of the land  because the father needs to be helped at the earliest. It is such a back braking job that you will hardly find farmers working in the fields after 50 years.
Please understand that a farmer is an entreprenur in his own right and in order to prevent fragmantation of holdings if he has to take up a job,it has to be pensionable job so that he can come back after 20/25 years.
The real problem he is facing is finding farmlabour. The traditional communities who were not landowning but worked on farms have migrated to cities or are employed under Nrega schemes.
This segment of the rural population needs jobs but are either not prepared to work on the farms or have migrated to cities working on contruction sites and doing odd jobs.
Services today constitutes 55 % of your GDP Manufacuring about 18%, Metals andMinerls about 10% and the rest by Agriculture.
Does that show the real worth of Agriculture for the country. Why are you not questioning manufacturing sector/industry) why it is stagnant inspite of so many subsidies and exemptions?
Farmers children are not becoming criminals. It is the children of farmers whose lands have been acquired and the money received as compensation has been squandred away on flashy cars and  luxurious living. They know no other skill , so to main the same lefestyle they take to crime. Crimes in Delhi fall into that catagory.
Regds
JKGaur
From: ashokahuja58@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 6 May 2015 09:29:44 +0400
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] IMPORTANT: IAC PUBLIC NOTICE re: Kiran Bedi

Mr. Gaur,
Thank you. Why is a farmer wanting his sons to take up Govt. Jobs.  One of the reasons could be that the land holding he has will not be able to sustain the extended family,the other could be that he is looking for financial security. In Govt jobs whatever happens they will keep getting the security associated with Gov. Jobs. The question is whether Govt. Is able to provide jobs to such large population. Answer is NO. This is where private/ public sector comes in.look at data world over what percentage of the jobs provided by the Govt vs the private sector. Private sector clearly wins.Even in GDP higher share is of private than Govt. Industry,therefore, is very important.
Regards
A.Ahuja

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On May 4, 2015, at 11:56 AM, Gaur J K <gaurjk@hotmail.com> wrote:

Mr. Ahuja
Regarding jobs I forgot to mention some facts which you will know if you are familiar with farming community. Indian farmer would like to send one of his sons to the army. The second son to the police whether it is central or state police. The third one if the son is we'll educated he will become a teacher or a lecturer in college. In short his preference will be a govt or state job.
Not a job in a private co. If he can help. We have many army veterans with rural background who can further clarify
Regds jkgaur

On 3 May 2015 11:08, Ashok Ahuja <ashokahuja58@gmail.com> wrote:
Mr. Gaur,
This is the first note I am writing because it pained me to see that the so called intelligensia fighting for the wrong things rather than going deep into the reasons of the decay and correcting them.

 the land holding of a poor farmer,I am talking poor farmer, on average is less than few acre and the no. Of children is three or more. With this land holding they are unable to meet their minimum needs of food and clothing, forget about educating the children,their marriages or some emergency requirements. What will be the status if the land piece is further divided amongst the children. They will have no option but to sell the land to the money lenders and become criminals/live on Govt. Doles like MNREGA or such govt sponsored scheme,because of which we, rather than making them self respecting proud Indians, we are making them beggars, thieves,criminals. As you are well aware even the doles given by the Govt. Do not reach the intended beneficiaries. By these schemes the govt encourages infrastructure which is thoroughly inefficient and corrupt.
By all means agriculture should be given the highest importance but at the same time job creation is also equally important,and for that industrialisation is the only way. For that land mass is needed, world class infrastructure is required. Fair compensation for the acquired land must be given to the farmers. Their rehabilitation by providing jobs to them and their children should be ensured. It should also be ensured that the purpose for which the land is acquired is used for that only. 
Further Our agricultural output per unit of land mass is one third or less of the developed countries output. This is where our efforts should be put ,if we really want to help farmers.
Regards
Ashok

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On May 2, 2015, at 12:02 PM, Gaur J K <gaurjk@hotmail.com> wrote:

2/5/15

We all know 'Make in India' is not for Agriculture and farm products. You dont need foreign technology or manpower to make storage silos for rotting grains or cold storages for farm produce.
We all know Land acquisition amendmentBill 2015 is not for farmers but corporates unless the Govt. makes available data of land acquired since 1947 for various purposes-Defence Projects, Public Sector undertakings, roads ,irregation , Special  Economic zones and Industrial usages. How much of the acquired land is used profitably and how much lying unused. Specifically I give an example of land alloted to Ind ian Agril. Research Insitute(IARI) by Pandit Nehru Govt. after independence. Today it is in the heart of New Delhi. Now Agril research is practically in private hands. So also the land acquired by various state Govt. as State Farms. Are these really helping farmers  in making the improved   seeds available, raise productivity and other related issues of farmers.
2. Future of In dian Agriculture is very bleak. Si nce liberalisation, the Govt. approach is to treat agriculture as an industry. The figures are quoted to show that its contribution in GDP is less than 20% and the rate of growth is 2% as compared to industries and services. But nobody is prepared to help the farmer except lip service. If the Govt. creates conditions that a farmer,s son has to migrate to the city to get a job, what hope there is for the future of Agriculture. Agriculture in India cannot be Agri. in US or Europe.
Agricuture is a back breaking activity. Food security ceased to be important after the green revolution of 70,s. With the climate change and Govt. policy we are heading to a bleak future for farming community-the backbone of rural India.
JKGaur
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2015 12:03:19 +0530
From: raviforjustice@gmail.com
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] IMPORTANT: IAC PUBLIC NOTICE re: Kiran Bedi

That is a moving response. But will the policy makers listen. I am all for modi's make in India so long as it is for, and only for, agricultural and farm products.

regards n bw

ravi

On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 4:02 PM, ADV. SUDHA GANDHI <advsudhagandhi@gmail.com> wrote:
presently for God sake and for true love for our country all
politician should first think about situation and condition of our
Indian farmers without playing politics otherwise young generation
will not forgive any politician. If FARMERS survive then only  people
of India will get sufficient food to eat.   Without  nutritious and
quality food they is no sense in any kind of progress in our life.
Simple living  and high thinking IS OUR COUNTRY'S spirit  Moreover it
should be think of that FARMERS children will get free education
facility. Interest free loan for marriage of their daughters.  There
should be some concrete  plan framed by government in such a way that
farmers get monitory help by way of depositing direct fund in their
account at the worst time in their life when there is no rain or more
rainfall damaging the crops, vegetables, fruits, cotton etc. Even
people at large in India wants to help to farmers by paying something
from their salary can directly deposit in their account as a message
to farmers that we all Indian are your brothers and sisters to help
you in your worst days of your life. Even many Industrialist and
Corporate offices can help by compulsorily appointing permanently in
Job farmers' children in their organization. It is also necessary that
farmers locality should also developed by roads, busroute and small
railways accompanying by small scale industry and wholesale markets
hospitals, Agricultural and polytechnic colleges, Police station,
around them as  Modi government is explaining  to People and farmers
at large. Every Indian's duty to protect  poor farmers by help them
out in all possible manner.   Kishan vikas patra scheme should be
encouraged IN SUCH A WAY   that money UP TO TWO  LAKHS  ONLY EVERY
YEAR  will become double in six years and Tex rebate will be full so
that people of India mainly middle class service people rush to save
their money  in  KISHAN VIKAS PATRA.  MIDDLE CLASS SERVICE PEOPLE WILL
BE BENEFITED AND WILL HAPPY,

On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Subscribers
>
> The media and Justice Katju are saying yesterday what we said a week
> earlier. Dumping Kiran Bedi now will not improve BJP's fortunes,
> although the polls are wrong and 2 important traditional Congress vote
> banks are still undecided and game is still open for BJP.
>
> It is all very well for Justice Katju, and I am not his friend on
> Facebook, to fight for release of Sadhvi Pragya. On this list, IAC had
> also come round that Dr. Subramaniam Swamy's public appeals to Justice
> Katju and others in 2013 to release Sadhvi Pragya should be taken very
> seriously in Government and wonderment why Govt was not taking action.
>
> In the same vein as Dr. Subramaniam Swamy, I also wonder why this
> present Government is so fixated on punishing one of our nation's
> finest intellectual minds, who could be a great asset to India in our
> common national quest to achieve our destined purpose on the world
> platform, and as rapidly as possible.
>
> Accordingly, I hope that someone on high remembers KOBAD GHANDY, who
> like me attended St. Xavier's College Mumbai and which institution I
> suppose greatly shaped the choices we separately made in life.
>
> I can disclose now that late JaiPrakash Narain ji "JP" privately had
> greatly approved my father's decision to educate me at Jesuit
> institutions in the English language, saying that is what is needed
> for the new India so that the old India could be preserved. My father
> was in the Hindu Hostel at Benares/kashi BHU and with Pandit Madan
> Mohan Malviya's Independence agitation and even lost a year because of
> it.
>
> PS: I am writing in my personal capacity based on Justice Katju's
> appeal which somebody posted to my Facebook wall, and Ghandy's
> writings - available here for anyone interested.
> http://www.mainstreamweekly.net/auteur532.html
>
> Sarbajit
>
> On 1/27/15, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Dear Friends
>>
>> On 12 January BJP had a 16 percent vote share lead over AAP -
>> something like 48% to 32% with Congress at 12%. But, as of now AAP has
>> pulled sharply ahead and its 39% AAP to 34% BJP with 18% to Congress
>> for the 70% steady voters. These are HRA's latest numbers -
>> discounting the swing / mercenary vote banks and uncommitted voters
>> who are about 30%. and essentially unpredictable till the last moment.
>>
>> What we are also seeing is that Kiran Bedi's entry has done 2 things,
>> a massive 28% drop in "committed" BJP voters who are tending to
>> support AAP publicly but also a large number who are prepared to
>> support Congress for cash privately. Of these the BJP's UP-Biharis at
>> about 16% are gravitating mostly to AAP and the BJP's disgruntled
>> Punjabis about 12% mostly to Congress. AAP has also lost 4% of its
>> previous 32% to Congress. The uncommitted voters are mainly
>> gravitating to BJP as  AAP is not able to convert uncommitted voters
>> at last moment and AAP is last choice for them as Congress is still #2
>> choice after BJP for these.
>>
>> The game is still very open and as d-day approaches huge deals and all
>> kinds of muck is going to be in play.
>>
>> Enjoy
>>
>> Sarbajit
>>
>
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