Re: [IAC#RG] Future direction of the India Against Corruption movement

Dear Sarbajit and others

1) We all now in agreement that we are in bad system of governance,
For correcting this system what is very essential is creating
awareness among the influential people about the problems in the
system

2) As rightly said politics not an essential form of method to correct
the system, It can be through some other method also,, Even the
countries ruled by dictators are having very apt system in place.

3) There are Few fundamental things which is not properly given weight
in our system- That is various productive sectors are totally
neglected and non productive sectors are enjoying most of the
benefits. Once of such non productive sector is politics. Few very
efficient people with top class quality can handle the governance of
our country .Maximum number of present leadership is a wastage and
doing the work of mere parasites to the economy. A proper system can
dispense with a crowded political sector.. If law and rule is properly
made where is the requirement make periodical amendments?. why new
rules and regulations are being passed and re enacted time and again?
whether it is requirement to pass laws and regulations on each and
every occasions? Even this was not in the mind of our constitution
founders.. they made a stipulation that every six months parliament
and assembly should sit , and at the starting session of an year
President or Governor should address the session.. This itself means
that they might have thought that once all law is made then the
representative may forget to review the working of such rules and laws
To avoid such eventuality a sitting twice a year prescribed.that does
not meant that every time they should pass the laws and amendments. It
is better that we should reduce laws and regulations by limiting the
government interference.. What is the limit of such law is described
in the Part III of our constitution ( Original Before first amendment
) While giving primary importance to part III the part IV was rightly
put in the field of non enforceable.. So it is clear that par III
should not have touched by legislator ( it was diluted for the purpose
of vote Bank) Now our entire political set up is created an impression
that they are essential part of our system of governance. Our
constitution does not recognize the party system at all.. (But it was
came through back door R.P Act various provisions of R.P Act is
unconstitutional and hit the provisions of Article 14 such as the
system of allotting symbol special treatment to recognized parties etc
).

4) Now common man thinks that politicians has power to allot roads,
sanction roads, bridges, new rail tracks, new govt. schools ,
colleges, courts,, recommend for employments recommend for various
schemes and such other hundreds of government activities.. it can be
totally dispensed with if we have a proper system in place. ( Till our
public aware about this they will still believe that politics is an
essential part of governance System

5) Confusing present law has given immense benefit to lawyers. Some
senior lawyers charges any thing more than five lacs per appearance
even such appearance is only for an adjournment,, people are spending
huge amount for this non productive sector Why? various laws are
enacted to confuse the public. definition with double meaning
improper illustration, laws made without a proper understanding and
study all are creating problems. Apart from this Judges Lawyers nexus
also adds burden upon the litigants and this end up in paying huge as
per the demand of a particular lawyers.

6) We are in country where people are in the real productive activity(
Agriculturist) committing suicide and the people who are not done any
things productive enjoy the life like a king .. Govt always fix the
price of agricultural commodities lower than the actual cost of
production, with an intention to reduce price rice in the market ,
result farmers never gets their wages.. and remain as the slave of the
country.. IF ONE BOTTLE MINERAL WATER IS COSTLIER THAN ONE K.G RICE
THINK HOW THIS COUNTRY IS EXPLOITING OUR FARMERS, IN THE NAME OF FOOD
SECURITY ETC
.A bigger did not commit suicide but farmer always ,,
still nobody understands the problem,,
we are in very patheticall system of governance

On 7/23/13, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Col Kishore
>
> Reading your email and that of Mr. Satish Vaish (inline).
>
> 1. The present environment being politically surcharged, and with
> virtually all people holding to some hope that some Lord Krishna will
> descend from heaven to save India in 2014, the conditions are not
> right for IAC's "contrarian" message to be absorbed.
>
> 2. IAC is "apolitical". The full importance of this word is not yet
> digested. It is not only that we stay away from politics, it is that
> we REJECT politics.
>
> 3. The only thing the average Indian has is his vote. It is the sole
> link he has to government or proof that he is an Indian citizen
> (voters card). Asking an Indian to reject voting, is virtually asking
> them to RENOUNCE THE PRESENT SYSTEM. Most urban Indians are too
> mentally weak to take that plunge. It is like a terminally ill patient
> being offered 2 choices, and almost always opting to take the easy /
> palliative way out.
>
> 4. The serious problem, is that almost all the best brains are with
> the "other side - ie, Govt, legal profession, corporate sector etc".
> Please see the quality of people "in" the anti-corruption movement.
> Almost all of them are donkeys / sheep, ie. they will attend the
> occasional rally, bleat and tweet in cyberspace, light a candle for
> Jessica, say that Aamir Khan is doing a damn good job exposing
> corruption, and sign an online petition or 2. This is all feelgood
> stuff but is ultimately counter-productive because it gives a fake
> impression that a "war on corruption" is in progress which is being
> fought BY SOMEBODY ELSE.
>
> 5. Now let me address Mr. Vaish's email.
>
> i) I agree that smaller groups of screened people can be formed to
> "fight" corruption in the field. Let me assure Mr Vaish that IAC
> already has such groups operationalised which are causing considerable
> trouble for the Government of India. You don't hear about it, because
> we don't go running to the media with our success stories. The models
> probably can be replicated for a few States which still have a
> semblance of governance and law+order.
>
> ii) "I paid a bribe". Our operating models are totally different. IAC
> believes in operating silently with the COOPERATION of some officers.
> The IpaidaBribe model has no safeguards against misuse to harass
> honest officers. This is also a failure in RTI Act, in that the
> potential for misuse is unlimited. (Incidentally Ramesh Ramanathan -
> the founder of ipaidabribe was my junior at BITS Pilani - same hostel)
>
> iii) Video-surveillance is too high tech a tool for general use. Every
> officer who deals with IAC knows that we don't use it, so that makes
> it much easier for them to talk to us frankly.
>
> iv) The real power base of IAC/HRA is a) its tremendous network of
> people inside govt. b) its not-insignificant vote-banks in a few
> crucial states which make it impossible for govt to ignore us.
>
> v) IAC/HRA has taken a very conscious decision not to carry out
> fund-raising. We are nobody's pet poodle and we don't beg for funds.
> We also not an "NGO for hire" and neither do we do PR or suck up to
> media.
>
> vi) We have a legal assistance group to help anyone from outside Delhi
> to fight cases in Delhi High Court and Supreme Court at discounted
> rates with a few lawyers known to us. For people with RTI matters at
> CIC which have some question of law involved or there is some great
> personal hardship, we appear for them free of charge. Our local Genl.
> Secretaries can similarly assist citizens in finding clean advocates.
>
> Sarbajit
>
> On 7/23/13, tadepalli triambakakishore <ltcolttkishore@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Dear Er Sarbajit Roy,
>> Greetings.
>> A booster inoculation is what you gave on 14 June.
>> Somehow, possibly owing to prevailing toxicity of the political environs,
>> lot of negative is polluting the commoners psyche .
>> Some doses of positive forces to be periodically generated and injected
>> is
>> welcome.
>>
>> TTK
>>
>> On Saturday, June 15, 2013, Proactive NavinPandya wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Friends,
>>>
>>> Present definition of corruption needs to be widened to include
>>> inaction,
>>> negligence & all acts of ommissions and commissions of public servants,
>>> inorder to deal effectively with corruption.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Navin Pandya
>>> 09322523011
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear Sarabjit,
>>> I have been reading the interesting material being circulated by you
>>> and
>>> am fully convinced that we must all act against corruption which is
>>> ruining
>>> our country.
>>> However, words alone will not take us anywhere.Talking to each other is
>>> fine but where is the ORGANISATION/ PLAN / ACTION?
>>>
>>> A few suggestions:
>>> 1)Make a group which will receive information requiring action. They
>>> will screen and provide a second group to take action.
>>> 2)The second group will go into the field and get the corrupt into
>>> trouble.No individual can do this as he will not know how to proceed and
>>> will fear repercussions. Also much follow up is needed as otherwise the
>>> corrupt get away.
>>> 3) Tie up with organisations like " I PAID A BRIBE " to develop cases
>>> for action.
>>> 4)I believe Courts now accept video clips as proof. In any case
>>> Departments do.Any employee caught on camera can be quickly suspended
>>> ,at
>>> half pay(Govt. rules permit this), and dismissed from service with no
>>> pension.Such action ,once started, will scare terribly and reduce
>>> corruption.
>>> 5)We will need to develop a tech. group to provide assistance for
>>> video
>>> surveillance. Expert skilled individuals/gadgets ,training etc. will be
>>> involved
>>> 6)Funds will be needed to do all this and another group will need to do
>>> fund raising. There are several international organisations providing
>>> considerable funds for such work; all of us will also pitch in.
>>> 7)A legal assistance group will be needed for seeing cases thru courts
>>> 8)Yet another group will be needed to collect and disseminate info re
>>> candidates standing for election to help elect
>>> honest/efficient/non-criminal persons.
>>> 9)An office space will be required to operate from.
>>>
>>> ACTION produces tremendous euphoria /motivation ;let us go for it in a
>>> big
>>> way.
>>> Unless we begin attacking the problem there is little chance of getting
>>> anywhere
>>>
>>> Wishing your effort success,
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Satish Vaish ( former General Manager ,Indian Railways)
>>> 416,Tower 2, East of Kailash,New Delhi, 110065
>>> cell no 9811158559
>


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