25/7/13
Dear Sir,
I am responding to you rather late. You have raised two questions- Dynastic rule and scam riddled UPA Govt- how to get rid of them.
1. History of Dynastic rule is known to you starting from J. Nehru-each prime Minister not naming a dynastic successor, yet creating conditions for succession with the rubber stamp of democracy. Now compare it with a dictatorship. Each dictator rules in the name of and for the welfare of masses. Yet they keep on collecting skeletons in the cup boards and a stage is reached that he wants to remain in power by hook or by crook to keep a lid on the skeltons. Same is the situation in India
In my view this hold has to be broken through democratic agitations,Mass movements and sustained basis exposure of the misdeeds of the UPA Govt.
India has no history of revolution but only revolts from time to time. JP had made a call for total peaceful revolution and attained limited success .But Emeregency was imposed and he was put in prison and after his death,the movement fizzled out due to lack of a mass leader. IAC movement with Anna Hazare had again created lot of hope and aspiration among the masses and the Movement had attacked both Dynastic rule Govt. corruption. Unfortunately it could not be sustained.
2. It is in this context that I had suggested cooperation and not conflict among civil society organisations. If we realise that we(civil society) is pitted against all powerful Govt and equally powerful corporate lobby,they are not going to listen or pay heed to
lone voices from civil society. Corporates protect their interest and push their Agenda collectively and the Govt. has to pay heed. I feel that as far as IAC is concerned they should keep exploring the opportunities of cooperation with likeminded organisations on the eradication of corruption and let not the earlier failed attempt come in the way.
Civil Society has to move towards cooperation in diverse fields to secure synergy and strenghten their position against all powerful political political and business interests.
Regds
JKGaur
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Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2013 16:42:33 +0530
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Dear Sir,
I am responding to you rather late. You have raised two questions- Dynastic rule and scam riddled UPA Govt- how to get rid of them.
1. History of Dynastic rule is known to you starting from J. Nehru-each prime Minister not naming a dynastic successor, yet creating conditions for succession with the rubber stamp of democracy. Now compare it with a dictatorship. Each dictator rules in the name of and for the welfare of masses. Yet they keep on collecting skeletons in the cup boards and a stage is reached that he wants to remain in power by hook or by crook to keep a lid on the skeltons. Same is the situation in India
In my view this hold has to be broken through democratic agitations,Mass movements and sustained basis exposure of the misdeeds of the UPA Govt.
India has no history of revolution but only revolts from time to time. JP had made a call for total peaceful revolution and attained limited success .But Emeregency was imposed and he was put in prison and after his death,the movement fizzled out due to lack of a mass leader. IAC movement with Anna Hazare had again created lot of hope and aspiration among the masses and the Movement had attacked both Dynastic rule Govt. corruption. Unfortunately it could not be sustained.
2. It is in this context that I had suggested cooperation and not conflict among civil society organisations. If we realise that we(civil society) is pitted against all powerful Govt and equally powerful corporate lobby,they are not going to listen or pay heed to
lone voices from civil society. Corporates protect their interest and push their Agenda collectively and the Govt. has to pay heed. I feel that as far as IAC is concerned they should keep exploring the opportunities of cooperation with likeminded organisations on the eradication of corruption and let not the earlier failed attempt come in the way.
Civil Society has to move towards cooperation in diverse fields to secure synergy and strenghten their position against all powerful political political and business interests.
Regds
JKGaur
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Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2013 16:42:33 +0530
Subject: RE: [IAC#RG] Arvind Kejriwal, who are you fooling ?
Mr. Gaur,
How can we unite in this era of dynasty rule and scamp riddle UPA Rule?
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Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2013 13:43:01 +0530
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20/7/13
Dear Sirs,
It is clear that the diffrences between AAP and IAC are irreconcialable after S. Roy has articulated them a number of times mainly being the finanacial irregularities. Yet I believe certain decorum should be maintained in public uttrances.
Now that the 3 who were at one time integral part of the broad anti-corruption movement have parted ways, let each concentrate their energies on their core stength.
In due course of time people will judge their achievements.
On a broader scale, the civil society orgasnisation/forums are a divided house. There are reported to be more than 29000 NGOs working in difffrent fields on local,state level and national level. Majority of them are funded from indegenous funds but many are receiving foreign funds ever since India became in dependent The need of the hour is cooperation and collaboration among NGOs may be some kind of federation at State, National level. Till then the Govt. with the help from corporate world will keep the civil soiety movements divided and put them down.
Regds
JKGaur
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2013 21:39:52 +0530
From: fastjustice@gmail.com
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Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Arvind Kejriwal, who are you fooling ?
Use of such unparliamentary words doesent augur well in yor mouth
I too have honest differences with Arvind still I respect him for his guts
and for his capacity to build an organisatiopn in a very short time
Use your energy in buildING sky
Bhagvanji Raiyani
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Dear Sirs,
It is clear that the diffrences between AAP and IAC are irreconcialable after S. Roy has articulated them a number of times mainly being the finanacial irregularities. Yet I believe certain decorum should be maintained in public uttrances.
Now that the 3 who were at one time integral part of the broad anti-corruption movement have parted ways, let each concentrate their energies on their core stength.
In due course of time people will judge their achievements.
On a broader scale, the civil society orgasnisation/forums are a divided house. There are reported to be more than 29000 NGOs working in difffrent fields on local,state level and national level. Majority of them are funded from indegenous funds but many are receiving foreign funds ever since India became in dependent The need of the hour is cooperation and collaboration among NGOs may be some kind of federation at State, National level. Till then the Govt. with the help from corporate world will keep the civil soiety movements divided and put them down.
Regds
JKGaur
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2013 21:39:52 +0530
From: fastjustice@gmail.com
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Arvind Kejriwal, who are you fooling ?
Use of such unparliamentary words doesent augur well in yor mouth
I too have honest differences with Arvind still I respect him for his guts
and for his capacity to build an organisatiopn in a very short time
Use your energy in buildING sky
Bhagvanji Raiyani
On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 11:02 AM, SURESHAN P <sureshandelhi@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear all
No body have any discretionary power to allow any violators to go
Scot free.. This is the misapprehension of many people in this
country that if u are powerful u need not bother about various
stipulations.. whether it is common man or P.M. law should be followed
scrupulously. The incident narrated in this subject shows the common
thinking prevailing within the top level leaders of AAP. they are not
even understood the quality of leadership.. Leaders should be moral
guiding factor for its followers. This country is ruined because of
low quality of leadership.. "A country will be prosperous if the King
stays in Huts and common man in palaces" This is about highest
standards of quality,,, he should be free from slightest degree of
personal ego, compassionate, high thinking and low living,, He always
keep away from all kind of flattering,,, This kind of high level
quality is not visible in any of AAP leaders.. They have failed to
follow a single lesson from ANNA Hazare
regards
On 7/13/13, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
> *Dear SR*
>
> I have noted your sentiments (and also those of another member Suneel
> Prasad who opines that policemen have discretionary power to let off
> offenders).
>
> Those who expect / claim to represent the people must display the highest
> standards of probity in their personal life.
>
> I bring to your notice some observations of the Supreme Court:-
>
> "*In a country governed by the rule of law, nobody is above the law,
> including judicial officers.*"
>
> The Supreme Court was of the view that a judge's official and personal
> conduct must be in tune with the* "highest standard of propriety and
> probity. If she has deliberately chosen to depart from these high and
> exacting standards, she is appropriately liable for disciplinary action*"
>
> Arvind is the one who called Parliament a den of thieves. AAP's top Mumbai
> man Mayank Gandhi is now, by his own public statement, exposed as no better
> than them.
>
> Accordingly, I have given Arvind a public challenge to either begin the
> process of expelling Mayank Gandhi immediately, or take action through
> AAP's "*Internal Lokpal*" against him on my formal complaint, a copy of
> which was separately emailed to Arvind..
>
> It is not a question of Re.1 or Rs.100 or Rs.100crores. It is the *MORAL
> PRINCIPLE*
>
> If AAP's so-called eminent citizens LokPal can't even investigate a Rs.100
> complaint against its own members how can a Jan Lokpal investigate a
> complaint of Rs.1,000 crores against powerful outsiders. *As an engineer, I
> would say the Lokpal concept has flopped on the drawing board inside the
> lab
> *.
>
> *PS:* Incidentally the observations of the SC were in 2011 in a matter
> where a Mumbai lady magistrate was dismissed from the judicial service for
> traveling without a Rs.17 ticket in a Mumbai local train.
>
> Insofar as AAP's working against corruption is concerned, I have clearly
> stated that not even 1 matter agitated by them has resulted in any
> conviction. In fact they are hired guns (aka NGO for hire) who intervene in
> PILs of other people and attempt to stall / derail them. COALGATE and CAG
> appointment being prime examples of their tactics.
>
> Also, knowing AAP's dirty tricks dept, I'm sure they'll "procure" a
> back-dated receipt from the cops to show that Mayank Gandhi paid the
> challan.
>
> Sarbajit
>
> On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 8:21 AM, <ssr.singh@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Sir,
>>
>> Good Morning.
>>
>> As a convenor of IAC, we place you very high and are saddened when you
>> join non issues.
>>
>> I am not from AAP, yet find that they are doing something. Just writing
>> mails and shooting letters are hardly of any significance.
>>
>> Hope you will honour our expectations.
>>
>> Anyone who is fighting corrupt system is far superior to those who are
>> just bent upon criticising.
>>
>> Regards and best wishes.
>>
>> SR
>> Regards,
>>
>> SR
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
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