This is an interesting debate I just have one suggestion which the government should have done a long time ago and may be still do , they must promote all Indian languages in Roman Script , this way at-least people across the country can read all the languages and it will become easier for them to learn a few languages other their on .
Think about it , the Indonesians have done that with their language .
Nitai Mehta
From: Rina Mukherji <rina.mukherji@gmail.com>
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Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 13:21:02 +0530
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Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Fwd: Hindi SE rashtravaad KA sambandh
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Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 13:21:02 +0530
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Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Fwd: Hindi SE rashtravaad KA sambandh
I absolutely agree on this, Harpalji. Why Punjab alone...in every state of India, a child is encouraged to converse in English, but the mother tongue is neglected. My daughter had learnt to speak in Bengali first, and learnt to speak Hindi with her friends, and we taught her English before she was admitted to school, just so she did not have a problem.
But she was instructed to converse in English all the while; and in spite of us scolding her, English has grown to be her " first " language. She can read and write fluently in Bengali and Hindi, but her fluency in speaking Bengali is down.
Sanskrit should have been encouraged; but today, a student who opts for Sanskrit as the optional or 3rd language is handicapped when her parents move out on transfer, since hardly any school offers it. My neighbour's daughter - when she came from Chennai-could only attend Kendriya Vidyalaya in Kolkata, since no other school had Sanskrit.
As regards learning Sanskrit which is assumed to be opposed by others, it is just bunkum. There are many Muslim students who are happily learning Sanskrit in government schools, and are topping in the subject .( It is just as many Hindu students who want to learn Urdu, but are denied the facilities to.) BTW, Dr APJ Abdul Kalam is well-versed in the Hindu scriptures since he studied Sanskrit at school.This does not make him a lesser Muslim at all.
The only way to learn Sanskrit today is to enrol oneself in an evening class at some ashram....
Regards,
Dr Rina Mukherji
Kolkata
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 7:11 AM, Harpal Selhi <drharpal@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Runa n othersWe are not saying that as a nation resist Hindi, but what matters is when for their political benefit they start promoting Hindi over the regional language or our mother tongue.Can you imagine in Punjab, schools teach Hindi first and later in 3rd they start with Punjabi and then encourage Hindi in 9th n 10th grade, further children are encouraged to speak English or Hindi but told not to speak Punjabi.I would like to hear your views on this!!!!!RegardsHarpalNext time you are driving, keep this in mind:
"Honk if you love Jesus, text if you want to meet him!"
Sent from my iPhoneDear Rina,
Your views are really very practical. I think some people only wish to challenge what makes the things smooth. Whereas people advocate for English be the common language, they do not hesitate to resist Hindii becoming the official common language, Like every other language Hindi speaking people naturally have more command on the language. but does it mean it belongs to them only?With Regards
Sanjay Chaturvedi
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9873174823On 30 January 2013 15:13, Rina Mukherji <rina.mukherji@gmail.com> wrote:Sorry to intervene, Mr Triambakkishore. Though I do not endorse Hindi colonialism/imperialism, I find nothing wrong in having a single national language. The idea of having Hindi as the national language rose becauseof it being spoken in a majority of the provinces. It is true that in the north, all signs are put up in Hindi ( without a corresponding English one), but doing what the tamilians are doing-putting every sign up in Tamil-is hardly the solution.The important thing is to get our history books and newspapers to be a little more mindful of representing India as a whole, and not be Delhi-centric.Where the north Indians are concerned, you must pardon them their ignorance. Their idea of India is what they see in Bollywood films. For them, a Parsi is Muslim, the Oriyas and Assamese are all Bengali, and people from peninsular India- are all Madrasi. Even where Muslims are concerned, they feel surprised that Bengali Muslims, or the Gujarat Muslims do not use Urdu, but their respective regional languages!You could attribute this to a very low literacy level, or a myopic vision; but that does not mean you should revile the learning of Hindi itself.It is important , instead, to stress on the learning of each other's languages rather than foreign languages at the school level.RinaOn Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 3:54 AM, tadepalli triambakakishore <ltcolttkishore@gmail.com> wrote:Dear All,Greetings.LtCol retd TTKishore
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From: tadepalli triambakakishore
Date: Tuesday, January 29, 2013
Subject: Fwd: [IAC#RG] Hindi SE rashtravaad KA sambandh
To: prabhat jonathan <prabhatjon@gmail.com>
DearPrabhat Jonathan,Pardon me for getting your name wrong.While drafting the email ,I have forgotten to mention Bangla, Akhomese and eastern dialects ,Kashmiri,Dogri,Sindhi,Gujarati and MP's /UP's /Rajastan's Hindi dialects.I couldn't help writing you some more.How come even at this juncture people like Ashutosh JI are still labouring to assault rest of Bharat with their Shuddh Hindi.OR is it another attempt to drive away non -Hindi mother tongue persons by forces inimical to the on going transactions and interactions of IAC.By the way, any middle school vernacular medium student can communicate in English with just 600 words vocabulary( including words like a,an, is, it, the, this, that,here,there,cat,rat,bat etc).1)What is Hindi ? Hindi as used by the protagonist is far cry from the lingo spoken in various parts of so called cow - belt.Is' nt the language a new cocktail of Urdu, Persian and Sanskrit?2)Gandhiji's pet project of a pan -Indian lingo had his so called linguistic stalwarts establishingHindi prachar Sabhas,and since it is blessed by Gandhiji, all Desh Bhakts Length and width of Bharat got carried away and went in to a over drive.It was forgotten that we People of Bharat are as different and diverse as a lily to jasmine to kevda to chrysanthemum or genda. Also we were not ruled by monarchs in the mould of Russians or Chinese or French . Moghuls andEnglish could' nt care, so long their courtiers spoke in the language they can understand.3)English being a very simple language and THE RULER' S lingo,every impressionable person including Gandhiji,Nehru,Patel,Bose etc took to it being the only window of Hope and Thought as all aggregate Indian intellect was shoved to backburner by elite and supporters of the rulers,be they IMoghuls or English.(My Uncle ie elder brother of my father learnt Persian along side Telugu and Sanskrit ,as Krishna District of AP then,was under Nizam's influence and my father studied English instead of Persian.)English was the means to upward mobility and to Developed Europe/America as English speaking men were calling the shots.4)We people of Penensular India ie South India are indebted to Tamilians who stopped all jingoistic Hindi Vadi in their tracks. My mother tongue Telugu is as evolved as as any other Earth' s language and so are Tamil/Malayalam /Kannada of Dravidian group of lingos. People are proud of their mother tongue and not Hindi(a hybrid to put mildly)5).Where is the question of patriotism.We all know that Hindi was bound to aggravate the already existing backwardness as it was not in the same league as English for Scientific temperament,and had no appeal to seekers of excellence in all fields of human endeavor.I doubt whether Mr Ashutosh is not one of the cow- belt chaps for whom South of Vindhyas is MADRAS and all those in the region are MADRASIS who feels" Bhasha se Rashtr vaad ka sambandh hai". If so,my sympathies to his cerebral prowess and we get ready for more such assaults.Please do me a favor of translating to Hindi for info of Mr Ashutosh and his ilk.( in retrospect WHAT THE HELL)Sorry for the long conversation.Regards.LtCol retd TTKishore
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From: Ashu
Date: Tuesday, January 29, 2013
Subject: [IAC#RG]
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
भाषा से राष्ट्रवाद का सम्बन्ध है ..
मुझे इस बात से समस्या नहीं की किसी प्रान्त में हिंदी नहीं बोली जाती यदि हम चाहे तो मातृ भाषा सीख सकते हैं . मातृभाषा के निर्धारण का आधार पर लम्बी चर्चा हो सकती है . मगर गुलामी के प्रतिको को ढोते रहना कहाँ तक जायज है??रही बात संसद की तो संसद में क्या होता है ये पूरा हिन्दुस्थान देखता है विश्व बैंक और यूरोप की दलाली पर चलने वाली संसद है ये .. आज तक अंग्रेजी कानून के अल्पविराम और पूर्ण विराम नहीं बदल पाए संसद के कर्णधार तो संसद की भाषा कैसे बदलेंगे ...यदि सिर्फ आधार बोले जाने का है तो कृपया मार्गदर्शन करे हिन्दुस्थान के कितने प्रतिशत लोग अंग्रेजी जानते हैं की इसे विचार सम्प्रेषण का माध्यम बना जाये।। इससे ज्यादा तो मराठी या तमिल जानने वाले होंगे ..आशुतोष2013/1/28 Prabhat Jonathan <prabhatjon@gmail.com>हाँ तो बंधु भाषा से भारतीयता का क्या संबंध है ? इस हिसाब से कई प्रांत जहां उन प्रांतो की भाषा बोली ओर लिखी जाती है वो तो भारत के ही नहीं हैं ? ऑर हिन्दी ऑर अँग्रेजी दोनों ही संसद की भाषा है भाई मेरे तो सभी को हक़ है किसी भी भाषा मे लिखने के लिए ऑर कोई ऑर नहीं मेरे से ही बात करें2013/1/25 Ashu <ashu7oct@gmail.com>सब इंडियन हैं या कोई भारतीय भी है यहाँ॥कई दिन से प्रयास कर रहा हूँ कोई हमारी मातृभाषा मे लिखे और उससे ज्ञानार्जन हो मगर यहाँ तो मैकाले की गंगोत्री दिख रही है ॥जय श्री राम
--Yesterday is gone. Tomorrow has not yet come. We have only today. Let us begin.
Prabhat Jonathan
C-DAC
New Delhi
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