Re: [HumJanenge] Re: New 500 words Rule

Dear Er.Sarabajit
I fully Contest and disagree with you on your Presumed and Thought Idea of Counting the words . This is not a telegram and Nor GOK is P&T dept . nor a Part of GOI nor it is explicit;y stated as you constrye in the Rule . Tule making power is left to state Govt . added to this on Basic Logics If you count the Adress of the Sender & Recepient , your Fees is not tagged to it, If you Read the entire ammendement in full , A request in writting for Information are the words used and shall relate IN (please note this word ) subject matter . There fore Until & unless your Contention becomes settled Law by Challenges in various Judicial Forums upon hierarcy , our Arguments have been Accepted , We also donot want rake up an argument on par with your Presumptions,
However as Rightly said by you in point b and further it is Beneficial to Both supply & demand side and in Effect curtailed Many applications without any Road Map or what can be called Fishing Applications .
I can supplu you all file Notings both at KIC and GOVT side in this Matter and assure you that i had a very detailed Discussion with the LAW minister Himself (my old freind) on several lines on this matter . The Law minister is himself a Advocate and had assumed office at the time of this amendement
N vikramsimha , KRIA Katte , #12 Sumeru Sir M N Krishna Rao Road , Basvangudi < Bangalore 560004.


--- On Tue, 30/10/12, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Re: New 500 words Rule
> To: HumJanenge@googlegroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, 30 October, 2012, 8:19 PM
> The clear reading of this rule is as
> follows:-
>
> a) 150 words will be counted like a "telegram", ie. name,
> address of
> applicant and receiver are both included.
>
> b) Applicant can ask several queries but confined to 1
> subject.
>
> Actually, if used correctly this will benefit both the
> applicant as
> well as the Public Authority.
>
> Say.
>
> 15 words each for name & Address of applicant + PIO = 30
> words
> 20 words for subject matter
> 100 words for say 5 queries (@ 20 words each)
>
> It will also trim out many of the people who use RTI for
> their
> grievance / service matters.
>
> Sarbajit
>
> On 10/30/12, Vikram Simha <vikramsimha54@yahoo.co.in>
> wrote:
> > Dear Er. Sarbajit,
> > Reproduced the Inserted Rule 14 in our State
> > 14 REQUEST RELATE ONLY TO SINGLE SUBJECT MATTER
> >
> > A request in writing for information under section 6 of
> the Act shall relate
> > in subject matter and it shall not ordinarily exceed
> one hundred and fifty
> > words . If an applicant wishes to seek information on
> more than one subject
> > matter , he shall make seprate applications.
> > Provided that in case, the request made relates to more
> than one subject
> > matter ,the PIO may respond to the relating to the
> first subject matter only
> > and may advise the applicant to make seprate
> application for each of the
> > other subject matters.*
> > * Inserted by Karnataka Right to information
> (amendement)rules 2007 vide
> > Notification No DPAR 2 RTI 2007 dated 13/02.2007
> >
> > N vikramsimha , KRIA Katte , #12 Sumeru Sir M N Krishna
> Rao Road ,
> > Basvangudi < Bangalore 560004.
> >
> >
> > --- On Mon, 29/10/12, sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> From: sarbajit roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
> >> Subject: [HumJanenge] Re: New 500 words Rule
> >> To: "HumJanenge Forum People's Right to
> Information, RTI Act 2005"
> >> <HumJanenge@googlegroups.com>
> >> Date: Monday, 29 October, 2012, 7:30 PM
> >> Hi Vikram
> >>
> >> I dont have the wording of the Karnataka RTI Rule
> before me.
> >> Was it
> >> 150 words ?
> >> Under new Central DoPT Rules, address of applicant
> and PIO
> >> is counted
> >> in 500 words.
> >>
> >> Sarbajit
> >>
> >> On Oct 29, 6:25 pm, Vikram Simha <vikramsimh...@yahoo.co.in>
> >> wrote:
> >> > Elaborate Point no 2 . In oyr state we have
> Argued
> >> before KIC that Address do not Form part ihe Body
> Seeking
> >> Information
> >> > N vikramsimha , KRIA Katte , #12 Sumeru Sir M
> N Krishna
> >> Rao Road , Basvangudi < Bangalore 560004.
> >> >
> >> > --- On Mon, 29/10/12, Sarbajit Roy <sroy...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > > From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy...@gmail.com>
> >> > > Subject: [HumJanenge] Re: New 500 words
> Rule
> >> > > To: "humjanenge" <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>,
> >> tnkeea...@yahoo.co.in
> >> > > Date: Monday, 29 October, 2012, 5:48 AM
> >> > > Dear Krish
> >> >
> >> > > 1) The RTI application cannot be
> "rejected" ONLY
> >> on the
> >> > > ground that it
> >> > > contains more than 500 words. So the
> answer to
> >> your question
> >> > > is YES, a
> >> > > CPIO can reject it along with another
> reason IF
> >> (and only
> >> > > if) that
> >> > > other reason is a valid reason for
> rejection (like
> >> new Rule
> >> > > 9,
> >> > > insufficient / excess fee etc).
> >> >
> >> > > 2) The answer to your question is YES. An
> RTI
> >> application
> >> > > must
> >> > > ORDINARILY be within 500 words (which
> INCLUDES the
> >> name and
> >> > > address of
> >> > > CPIO and applicant). So for a RTI
> containing 1375
> >> words the
> >> > > PIO can
> >> > > demand Rs 30 as application fee by
> treating it as
> >> 3
> >> > > applications. Note
> >> > > that he is not "rejecting it"
> >> >
> >> > > 3) The FAA ought not to reject it. OTH
> the CIC can
> >> do
> >> > > anything
> >> > > (including reject it if they feel the
> application
> >> was
> >> > > frivolous,
> >> > > vexatious, etc etc)
> >> >
> >> > > Sarbajit
> >> >
> >> > > On 10/28/12, TNK <tnkeea...@yahoo.co.in>
> >> > > wrote:
> >> > > > The recent rule dated 31st July
> 2012
> >> restrict
> >> > > applications with 500 words.
> >> >
> >> > > > In the same rule says that no
> application to
> >> be
> >> > > rejected only on the ground
> >> > > > that it exceeds 500 words.
> >> >
> >> > > > My doubts:-
> >> >
> >> > > > 1. Can PIO rejects the application
> with some
> >> other
> >> > > reason along with the
> >> > > > reason of "more than 500 words"?
> >> >
> >> > > > 2. Theses restriction included in
> the heading
> >> of
> >> > > Application fee. Can PIO
> >> > > > demand more fee as the application
> is more
> >> than 500
> >> > > words.
> >> >
> >> > > > 3. Application not to be rejected by
> PIO on
> >> this 500
> >> > > words ground. Thus FAA
> >> > > > or CIC can reject on this ground?
> >> >
> >> > > > Andaman Krish
> >>
> >
>