Re: [HumJanenge] Incorrect records = lame-duck Army Chief

There could be many reasons as to how a wrong date of birth got into
the records. That is not the issue. The issue is how two date births
could run simultaneously to suit situations of choice. It could be
unintentional mistake. In any case Lt Gen Digvijay Singhs version has
no rationale. As Prem Gaba has correctly brought out, if the correct
date of birth is 10 May 1951, he is not eligible to enter NDA. This
explains everything.

We the veterans does not get any sadistic pleasure in analyzing it as
Gen DV Singh implied as veterans have no concern with COAS.I am not
aware of his coming to the rescue of the hapless veterans when they
are grilled by the Bureaucrats. Nor the 90 year old widow
Pushpavvanthi who has been getting a pension of only Rs.80/- seems to
have received in help. Please remember that she might have approached
everyone for some assistance since 1967, I don't think any COAS
bothered about her. Even now , the COAS cannot plead that he is
ignorant of the Ministry of Defences affidavit to the Supreme Court
that Ms Pushpavanthy's claim is false and her pension is not Rs.80/-
but Rs.16320/- pm when the COAS is fully aware that such an
affidavit cannot be correct as she got Rs.16320 only now in
consequent to 6th Pay Commission and her complaint pertaining to
period decades back..What has the COAS done on Supreme Court orders of
8-3-2010 granting arrears of rank pay worth lakhs of rupees to
veterans and it is stopped by government ? Can't the COAS tell the
MoD that the government is not giving the veterans anything new but
only giving back the amount of rank pay with half the interest the
government had already gained withheld and not giving any fresh booty
as the bureaucates made the government to believe.. What I meant was
the veterans have no obligation to COAS as he does not appear to have
any concern with the Veterans. I doubt whether he entertain any
grievence petetion from veterans.

On 26/07/2011, Dinesh Verma <dcverma06@gmail.com> wrote:
> The accepted principle,so far,is that the date of birth enterred in
> the High School Certificate/SSLC/the first School Certificate obtained
> by a student is accepted as the date of birth for alltime.The same
> date is mentioned in the subsequent forms or at the time of entry in
> service.Any subsequent amendment or entry made in any record ,unless
> it is by order of Court,is not accepted.Any amendment by will of the
> concerned person or staff of any office would make it velnarable &
> uncertain,
> .
> D.C.
>
> On 7/26/11, vudathala nandagopal <nandav1942@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Friends,
>> A politicians Penchant for sticking to the chair is enomous and disgusting
>> to say the least. Can you imagine one CM refusing to resign in spite of
>> clear verdict of LOKAYUKTHA. It takes years to prove the charges and in
>> the
>> meanwhile every thing will be diluted and forgotten. We have a lot of
>> cases
>> of this nature. Congress is bad BJP worse. What do we do?
>> Do we need a parliament or an assembly? Do we need politicians? Yes we do
>> but we also need regulations. We can get rid of all this mass scale
>> corruption by having a few simple rules.
>> 1.Any one who is indicted by any authorised agency appointed by the
>> governament should be made to resign or dismissed as the report is made
>> after due deligence. Subsequently the courts can go thro their case to
>> provide justice to all. The agencies appointed by the government should
>> have
>> the same powers of a court and should be honoured by every one.
>> 2. All properties and assets mrntioned in the report as illegal should be
>> confiscated by the government and returned if proved otherwise. All ill
>> gotten money should belong to the government.
>>
>> We will need thousands of JUstice Hegde to bring out all the truths on ill
>> gotten money and scams but even then we may be able to unearth only about
>> 10
>> % and 90 % will go unscathed. Suppose we have the finace minister, one
>> man,
>> declare demonetisation and restrict holding of cash at home or in person
>> to
>> say Rs.20,000/- at any time we will prevent 90% of corruption and
>> subsequent
>> scams. At present we are closing the gate after the horse has run away. It
>> would take a loit of time and effort to harness the horse and even then we
>> are not sure of catching the horse.
>> We need good people to govern us. Where can we find them, not in congress
>> not in BJP not in BSP not in CPM but where? Only in discipline, we may not
>> need draculian laws what we need is strict implementation of existiing
>> laws
>> and avoidance of delays.
>> Which government will bell the cat? Till then all INDIANS are cursed to
>> live
>> in a corrupt world. What is the solution? A revolution a second struggle
>> for
>> a clean India but then who cares who will take the mantle for a
>> revolution.
>> Not this genertation, we are too timid, not the next generation, they are
>> not bothered as long as they get their meals, beer and chicken. Am I
>> wrong?
>> I will be too happy to be wrong. Let some one take the mantle I am sure it
>> is a struggle but will get a lot of support.
>> Wish you all luck.
>> Col.Nanda Gopal.
>>
>>
>>
>> Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 13:08:11 +0530
>> From: shashminz@yahoo.com
>> Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Incorrect records = lame-duck Army Chief
>> To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
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>> if courts can certify your date of birth today which is the biggedst false
>> hood in the entrants of govt then what bonafides can we expect from the m
>> in
>> being truth ful in any area of life your mothers date of delivery in thje
>> hospital and the very records are tampered with then what more do you
>> expect
>> in life from such enlightened indiviuals its pardonable for an uneducated
>> person but not for the educated lot who wnat to sit in govt posts past
>> thir
>> retirement age welll we are a wonderful nation to reckon with threr is no
>> parallel to us on earth your own parentage is being falsified hence the
>> date of birth for petty monetory benefits heaven help the scoundrels who
>> participate in this nefarious exercise
>> Mrs.Shashi Minz
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>> From: Col NR Kurup <colnrkurup@gmail.com>
>> To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Fri, 22 July, 2011 5:45:34 PM
>> Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Incorrect records = lame-duck Army Chief
>>
>> If the COAS goes to Court, he will have it. One can't be selective in
>> this case. He can't claim to reckon his DoB as 1950 when 1950 suited
>> him and 1951 when 1951 suited him. If someone dig into the case he
>> has to answer for the benefits he availed by counting his DoB as 1950
>> and 1951.If he is wise, I think he is will not press the case as he
>> hardly get any gain other than one more year's service. He should
>> honourably vacate the post in 2012 to enable his junior to become
>> CoAS. in 2012
>>
>> On 22/07/2011, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/army-chiefs-age-controversy-battle-not-over-warn-experts-121262
>>>
>>> The government's decision on the date of birth of the man who heads the
>>> Indian Army may not provide the closure many have been hoping for.
>>> Experts
>>> say a complicated and lengthy legal battle could follow in the next few
>>> months.
>>>
>>> Yesterday, the Defence Minister said that the government had accepted
>>> 1950
>>> as the year in which General VK Singh was born. The Army Chief has been
>>> arguing that he was born a year later. The problem is that Army records
>>> reflect both.
>>>
>>> The biggest implication is the year in which the Army Chief will retire -
>>> 2012, according to the government's decision. If it had accepted Mr
>>> Singh's
>>> date of birth, his tenure would have extended to 2013.
>>>
>>> Several legal experts, including three retired Chief Justices, have said
>>> that Mr Singh has a strong case against the government, should he decide
>>> to
>>> go to court.
>>>
>>> The Defence Ministry has asked the official record-keeper of the Army -
>>> the
>>> Adjutant General's branch - to change Mr Singh's date of birth in its
>>> records from May 10, 1950 to May 10, 1951. But defence regulations state
>>> that service records cannot be altered - a fact that the Adjutant General
>>> is
>>> likely to stress today to the government.
>>>
>>> This is the first time that the age of a military chief has become a
>>> matter
>>> of national concern and debate. Former Army chiefs state that the
>>> government's decision could inadvertently turn General Singh into a
>>> lame-duck Army Chief.
>>>
>>>
>>> Read more at:
>>> http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/army-chiefs-age-controversy-battle-not-over-warn-experts-121262&cp
>>>
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