Dt.26/07/11
It is a needless controversy. In those times no proper records were maintained specially in the rural areas and when getting admission in school no proof was required, Date of birth in the matriculation certificate is accepted for further education or employment.
Regds
JKGaur
It is a needless controversy. In those times no proper records were maintained specially in the rural areas and when getting admission in school no proof was required, Date of birth in the matriculation certificate is accepted for further education or employment.
Regds
JKGaur
> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 10:51:15 +0530
> Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Incorrect records = lame-duck Army Chief
> From: dcverma06@gmail.com
> To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
> CC: nandav1942@hotmail.com
>
> The accepted principle,so far,is that the date of birth enterred in
> the High School Certificate/SSLC/the first School Certificate obtained
> by a student is accepted as the date of birth for alltime.The same
> date is mentioned in the subsequent forms or at the time of entry in
> service.Any subsequent amendment or entry made in any record ,unless
> it is by order of Court,is not accepted.Any amendment by will of the
> concerned person or staff of any office would make it velnarable &
> uncertain,
> .
> D.C.
>
> On 7/26/11, vudathala nandagopal <nandav1942@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Friends,
> > A politicians Penchant for sticking to the chair is enomous and disgusting
> > to say the least. Can you imagine one CM refusing to resign in spite of
> > clear verdict of LOKAYUKTHA. It takes years to prove the charges and in the
> > meanwhile every thing will be diluted and forgotten. We have a lot of cases
> > of this nature. Congress is bad BJP worse. What do we do?
> > Do we need a parliament or an assembly? Do we need politicians? Yes we do
> > but we also need regulations. We can get rid of all this mass scale
> > corruption by having a few simple rules.
> > 1.Any one who is indicted by any authorised agency appointed by the
> > governament should be made to resign or dismissed as the report is made
> > after due deligence. Subsequently the courts can go thro their case to
> > provide justice to all. The agencies appointed by the government should have
> > the same powers of a court and should be honoured by every one.
> > 2. All properties and assets mrntioned in the report as illegal should be
> > confiscated by the government and returned if proved otherwise. All ill
> > gotten money should belong to the government.
> >
> > We will need thousands of JUstice Hegde to bring out all the truths on ill
> > gotten money and scams but even then we may be able to unearth only about 10
> > % and 90 % will go unscathed. Suppose we have the finace minister, one man,
> > declare demonetisation and restrict holding of cash at home or in person to
> > say Rs.20,000/- at any time we will prevent 90% of corruption and subsequent
> > scams. At present we are closing the gate after the horse has run away. It
> > would take a loit of time and effort to harness the horse and even then we
> > are not sure of catching the horse.
> > We need good people to govern us. Where can we find them, not in congress
> > not in BJP not in BSP not in CPM but where? Only in discipline, we may not
> > need draculian laws what we need is strict implementation of existiing laws
> > and avoidance of delays.
> > Which government will bell the cat? Till then all INDIANS are cursed to live
> > in a corrupt world. What is the solution? A revolution a second struggle for
> > a clean India but then who cares who will take the mantle for a revolution.
> > Not this genertation, we are too timid, not the next generation, they are
> > not bothered as long as they get their meals, beer and chicken. Am I wrong?
> > I will be too happy to be wrong. Let some one take the mantle I am sure it
> > is a struggle but will get a lot of support.
> > Wish you all luck.
> > Col.Nanda Gopal.
> >
> >
> >
> > Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 13:08:11 +0530
> > From: shashminz@yahoo.com
> > Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Incorrect records = lame-duck Army Chief
> > To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > if courts can certify your date of birth today which is the biggedst false
> > hood in the entrants of govt then what bonafides can we expect from the m in
> > being truth ful in any area of life your mothers date of delivery in thje
> > hospital and the very records are tampered with then what more do you expect
> > in life from such enlightened indiviuals its pardonable for an uneducated
> > person but not for the educated lot who wnat to sit in govt posts past thir
> > retirement age welll we are a wonderful nation to reckon with threr is no
> > parallel to us on earth your own parentage is being falsified hence the
> > date of birth for petty monetory benefits heaven help the scoundrels who
> > participate in this nefarious exercise
> > Mrs.Shashi Minz
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Col NR Kurup <colnrkurup@gmail.com>
> > To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
> > Sent: Fri, 22 July, 2011 5:45:34 PM
> > Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Incorrect records = lame-duck Army Chief
> >
> > If the COAS goes to Court, he will have it. One can't be selective in
> > this case. He can't claim to reckon his DoB as 1950 when 1950 suited
> > him and 1951 when 1951 suited him. If someone dig into the case he
> > has to answer for the benefits he availed by counting his DoB as 1950
> > and 1951.If he is wise, I think he is will not press the case as he
> > hardly get any gain other than one more year's service. He should
> > honourably vacate the post in 2012 to enable his junior to become
> > CoAS. in 2012
> >
> > On 22/07/2011, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/army-chiefs-age-controversy-battle-not-over-warn-experts-121262
> >>
> >> The government's decision on the date of birth of the man who heads the
> >> Indian Army may not provide the closure many have been hoping for. Experts
> >> say a complicated and lengthy legal battle could follow in the next few
> >> months.
> >>
> >> Yesterday, the Defence Minister said that the government had accepted 1950
> >> as the year in which General VK Singh was born. The Army Chief has been
> >> arguing that he was born a year later. The problem is that Army records
> >> reflect both.
> >>
> >> The biggest implication is the year in which the Army Chief will retire -
> >> 2012, according to the government's decision. If it had accepted Mr
> >> Singh's
> >> date of birth, his tenure would have extended to 2013.
> >>
> >> Several legal experts, including three retired Chief Justices, have said
> >> that Mr Singh has a strong case against the government, should he decide
> >> to
> >> go to court.
> >>
> >> The Defence Ministry has asked the official record-keeper of the Army -
> >> the
> >> Adjutant General's branch - to change Mr Singh's date of birth in its
> >> records from May 10, 1950 to May 10, 1951. But defence regulations state
> >> that service records cannot be altered - a fact that the Adjutant General
> >> is
> >> likely to stress today to the government.
> >>
> >> This is the first time that the age of a military chief has become a
> >> matter
> >> of national concern and debate. Former Army chiefs state that the
> >> government's decision could inadvertently turn General Singh into a
> >> lame-duck Army Chief.
> >>
> >>
> >> Read more at:
> >> http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/army-chiefs-age-controversy-battle-not-over-warn-experts-121262&cp
> >>
> >
> Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Incorrect records = lame-duck Army Chief
> From: dcverma06@gmail.com
> To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
> CC: nandav1942@hotmail.com
>
> The accepted principle,so far,is that the date of birth enterred in
> the High School Certificate/SSLC/the first School Certificate obtained
> by a student is accepted as the date of birth for alltime.The same
> date is mentioned in the subsequent forms or at the time of entry in
> service.Any subsequent amendment or entry made in any record ,unless
> it is by order of Court,is not accepted.Any amendment by will of the
> concerned person or staff of any office would make it velnarable &
> uncertain,
> .
> D.C.
>
> On 7/26/11, vudathala nandagopal <nandav1942@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Friends,
> > A politicians Penchant for sticking to the chair is enomous and disgusting
> > to say the least. Can you imagine one CM refusing to resign in spite of
> > clear verdict of LOKAYUKTHA. It takes years to prove the charges and in the
> > meanwhile every thing will be diluted and forgotten. We have a lot of cases
> > of this nature. Congress is bad BJP worse. What do we do?
> > Do we need a parliament or an assembly? Do we need politicians? Yes we do
> > but we also need regulations. We can get rid of all this mass scale
> > corruption by having a few simple rules.
> > 1.Any one who is indicted by any authorised agency appointed by the
> > governament should be made to resign or dismissed as the report is made
> > after due deligence. Subsequently the courts can go thro their case to
> > provide justice to all. The agencies appointed by the government should have
> > the same powers of a court and should be honoured by every one.
> > 2. All properties and assets mrntioned in the report as illegal should be
> > confiscated by the government and returned if proved otherwise. All ill
> > gotten money should belong to the government.
> >
> > We will need thousands of JUstice Hegde to bring out all the truths on ill
> > gotten money and scams but even then we may be able to unearth only about 10
> > % and 90 % will go unscathed. Suppose we have the finace minister, one man,
> > declare demonetisation and restrict holding of cash at home or in person to
> > say Rs.20,000/- at any time we will prevent 90% of corruption and subsequent
> > scams. At present we are closing the gate after the horse has run away. It
> > would take a loit of time and effort to harness the horse and even then we
> > are not sure of catching the horse.
> > We need good people to govern us. Where can we find them, not in congress
> > not in BJP not in BSP not in CPM but where? Only in discipline, we may not
> > need draculian laws what we need is strict implementation of existiing laws
> > and avoidance of delays.
> > Which government will bell the cat? Till then all INDIANS are cursed to live
> > in a corrupt world. What is the solution? A revolution a second struggle for
> > a clean India but then who cares who will take the mantle for a revolution.
> > Not this genertation, we are too timid, not the next generation, they are
> > not bothered as long as they get their meals, beer and chicken. Am I wrong?
> > I will be too happy to be wrong. Let some one take the mantle I am sure it
> > is a struggle but will get a lot of support.
> > Wish you all luck.
> > Col.Nanda Gopal.
> >
> >
> >
> > Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 13:08:11 +0530
> > From: shashminz@yahoo.com
> > Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Incorrect records = lame-duck Army Chief
> > To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > if courts can certify your date of birth today which is the biggedst false
> > hood in the entrants of govt then what bonafides can we expect from the m in
> > being truth ful in any area of life your mothers date of delivery in thje
> > hospital and the very records are tampered with then what more do you expect
> > in life from such enlightened indiviuals its pardonable for an uneducated
> > person but not for the educated lot who wnat to sit in govt posts past thir
> > retirement age welll we are a wonderful nation to reckon with threr is no
> > parallel to us on earth your own parentage is being falsified hence the
> > date of birth for petty monetory benefits heaven help the scoundrels who
> > participate in this nefarious exercise
> > Mrs.Shashi Minz
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Col NR Kurup <colnrkurup@gmail.com>
> > To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
> > Sent: Fri, 22 July, 2011 5:45:34 PM
> > Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Incorrect records = lame-duck Army Chief
> >
> > If the COAS goes to Court, he will have it. One can't be selective in
> > this case. He can't claim to reckon his DoB as 1950 when 1950 suited
> > him and 1951 when 1951 suited him. If someone dig into the case he
> > has to answer for the benefits he availed by counting his DoB as 1950
> > and 1951.If he is wise, I think he is will not press the case as he
> > hardly get any gain other than one more year's service. He should
> > honourably vacate the post in 2012 to enable his junior to become
> > CoAS. in 2012
> >
> > On 22/07/2011, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/army-chiefs-age-controversy-battle-not-over-warn-experts-121262
> >>
> >> The government's decision on the date of birth of the man who heads the
> >> Indian Army may not provide the closure many have been hoping for. Experts
> >> say a complicated and lengthy legal battle could follow in the next few
> >> months.
> >>
> >> Yesterday, the Defence Minister said that the government had accepted 1950
> >> as the year in which General VK Singh was born. The Army Chief has been
> >> arguing that he was born a year later. The problem is that Army records
> >> reflect both.
> >>
> >> The biggest implication is the year in which the Army Chief will retire -
> >> 2012, according to the government's decision. If it had accepted Mr
> >> Singh's
> >> date of birth, his tenure would have extended to 2013.
> >>
> >> Several legal experts, including three retired Chief Justices, have said
> >> that Mr Singh has a strong case against the government, should he decide
> >> to
> >> go to court.
> >>
> >> The Defence Ministry has asked the official record-keeper of the Army -
> >> the
> >> Adjutant General's branch - to change Mr Singh's date of birth in its
> >> records from May 10, 1950 to May 10, 1951. But defence regulations state
> >> that service records cannot be altered - a fact that the Adjutant General
> >> is
> >> likely to stress today to the government.
> >>
> >> This is the first time that the age of a military chief has become a
> >> matter
> >> of national concern and debate. Former Army chiefs state that the
> >> government's decision could inadvertently turn General Singh into a
> >> lame-duck Army Chief.
> >>
> >>
> >> Read more at:
> >> http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/army-chiefs-age-controversy-battle-not-over-warn-experts-121262&cp
> >>
> >
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