Tuesday, September 13, 2011

Re: [HumJanenge] Hindu Story Kejriwal Took FF $0.569m Donations, RSS Support

Well said Sri Sarbajit Roy. But do we have any alternative than a Democratic way - unless you are advocating a revolution / uprising (bloody or otherwise)

From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, 13 September 2011 3:32 PM
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Hindu Story Kejriwal Took FF $0.569m Donations, RSS Support
SirTo expect that any efective anti-corruption solution is going to emerge through democratic / Parliamentary process is the height of wishful thinking. I look forward to hearing about your game-changing scenario as and when it takes place. As for me, I firmly believe that when you see cockroaches (creatures as old as corruption itself) the only remedy is to HIT them.Sarbajit
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 1:54 PM, Sant Mathur <santmathur@gmail.com> wrote:
Whoever thinks that fallacious responses and coercive trickls/techniques will pass muster in the long run are in for a monumental shock.The final outcome of Standing Committe,where we've had opportunity to provide inputs(as is democratically posssible and as is constitutionally mandated) will be far different than the one advocated by various interest groups,who've in various ways been quite ameturish.Tamashs are no substitute for hardcore intelligence-coupled-with-experience.
We're supremely brilliant professsionals with track records cleaneer than that of any group and emdowed with tons of experience in anti-corruption arena(including CBI) but play thr game in quiter ways,industrious ways,intelligent ways,professionally cpmpetent ways.
Our combined knowledge in whole lot of areas that concern ADMINISTRATIVE REFORMS (ncluding judicial/police/taxation reforms),ELECTORAL-POLITICAL REFORMS,SOCIAL REFORMS etc is any day far far superior to that possessed by any stray group.We are well networked and have solid groundings in the areas that are being talked of and discussed in very casual manner all over.
We'll not allow the platform for REFORMS to be simply hijacked by anyone,under any pretext,just because we work silently and not vociferously.
Just watch out for game changing scenario soon.
s p mathur IPS DGP (retd)
BE MBA PhD(Management) Chennai
On behalf of upright topcops(serving and retd)
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 8:15 AM, Rakesh Agarwal <rakesh@nyayabhoomi.org> wrote:
Could we see the evidence please?
 
 
From: humjanenge@googlegroups.com [mailto:humjanenge@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ravinder Singh
Sent: 12 September 2011 23:59
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Cc: Ravinder Singh
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Hindu Story Kejriwal Took FF $0.569m Donations, RSS Support
 
First of all I am fighting MEGA Corruption for 35 years. I know Bhushan & Kejriwal for 12/8 years - they are not serious about Corruption but Politics. 
 
Second I have complete knowledge evidence that they filed PIL for third CBI investigation to Derail CBI investigation. 
 
Comments of judges are obvious. See for yourself. 
 
SC issues notice on Golden Quadrilateral
 
RAKESH BHATNAGAR, TNN, Mar 12, 2004, 06.29pm IST
NEW DELHI: The Supreme Court on Friday issued notices to CBI, Centre and Bihar government on a petition seeking independent probe into the allegations of corruption in the prime minister's dream Golden Quadrilateral project connecting national highways across the country.

A Bench of Justices Ruma Pal and P V Reddi also issued notice on petitioners - an NGO 'parivartan' and father of slain Bihar engineer Satyendra Dubey - on the question of enacting a "Whistle Blowers Act" to bring to the fore several incidents of corruption that go unreported due to fear of reprisal from government.

When asked to why the court should entertain a series of public interest petitions following the brutal murder of Dubey, petitioners' counsel Prashant Bhushan said that in a PIL matter it was better to entertain a few of them on the same issue so as not to leave out any important aspect of the issue that concerned the public.


>> Why After 105 days? 
 
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 10:18 PM, M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
Anna and his team is behind corruption and some of us are behind the team and Arvind. For a moment, I may agree that Anna had his team is corrupt from head to toe, does it mean that India should not fight for the eradication of corruption and electrol reforms etc.

Do we think that crores of Anna supporters and followers are crazy?  Those few who are planting new stories everyday should see the follwoing behind themselves.

In fact, movement aganist corruption should have been initiated much earlier before the emergence of Anna and Ramdev and where were are those at that time who are now saying that one law will not be able to stop corruption.  They are not even ready to accede to one law, what to talk about more laws.  They sometime says that the institution of Lokpal should be like Election Commission which enjoy more autonomy, good idea, implement it with time frame and stop using such ideas to frustrate this awakening in the overall interest of our country.



On Mon, 12/9/11, Ravinder Singh <corruptionfree04@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Ravinder Singh <corruptionfree04@gmail.com>
Subject: [HumJanenge] Hindu Story Kejriwal Took FF $0.569m Donations, RSS Support

To: "Ravinder Singh" <progressindia008@yahoo.com>
Date: Monday, 12 September, 2011, 2:34 PM
 
Hindu Story Kejriwal Took FF $0.569m Donations, RSS Support
 
In this confession Arvind Kejriwal admitted sending 20 million SMSs and got 50,000 missed calls and initially made 50,000 calls to them to join IAC but received only 13 responses that later on went up to 800. Numbers supporting IAC was many hundred times.
 
Clearly it was RSS backing IAC.
 
He also admits to taking $0.369m as donations since 2005 and $0.2m are pending from just one donor.
 
He resigned in 2006 means while on the payrolls of GOI he operated without sanction several NGOs since 2000 and applying for Donations to Indian and Foreign agencies.
 
Ravinder Singh
September12, 2011
 
It is a long journey ahead Kejriwal
August 31, 2011
 
'We want to pressure the government and assert our rights as citizens.'
 
Arvind Kejriwal received the Magsaysay award in the Emergent leadership category in 2006. A mere five years later, he has far surpassed that milestone, winning acclaim and notice for the way he conceived and crafted Anna Hazare's anti-corruption movement. He talks to Vidya Subrahmaniam about the Jan Lokpal campaign, what it accomplished and why it often became controversial.
 
The scale and spread of the Anna movement have baffled many. How did this happen?
 
A movement cannot be created out of nothing. In this case, anger against corruption was at the point of eruption. Then two things happened. One, instead of merely echoing the anger, the Jan Lokpal Bill (JLB) offered a solution. Second, Anna emerged as a credible leader at a time of huge leadership crisis in politics. See, people did not understand the details of the JBL. They simply saw it as a "dawai" [medicine] for corruption. It is the combination of a solution and a figure like Anna — who lived in a temple with no assets — that clicked.
 
When we conducted referendums on the JLB, we used to try and explain its contents to people. But they said they did not want to understand the details. They just wanted to put a mohar [stamp] on Anna.
 
How did you communicate your message to such a large number of people?
 
Technology played a key role in this. When in January this year, India Against Corruption (IAC) member Shivendra suggested to us that we use Facebook to publicise our rallies, I dismissed it saying Facebook has a limited, urban following. But Shivendra went ahead. We had planned a single rally on January 30 at the Ramlila Maidan. But because we connected on Facebook, we were able to conduct simultaneous rallies in 64 cities. SMS texting also played a critical role. Our SMS communication was designed very intelligently. A company in Mumbai suggested we ask for missed calls as a mark of solidarity. Missed calls cost nothing. In March, we sent out two crore SMS messages and got 50,000 missed calls. Then we targeted the 50,000 callers, asking if they would like to enrol as volunteers for IAC. Initially 13 people responded. We sent two more rounds of messages to the 50,000 callers. And in just one week, the number of volunteers swelled to 800.
 
Surely television played a disproportionate role in projecting the movement.
 
TV certainly helped, both when Anna sat on a fast at Jantar Mantar and then at Ramlila Maidan. But the media cannot create a moment. They can at best magnify it. The crowds at Ramlila and the crowds that followed him when he left for Medanta hospital were not manufactured.
 
There have been reports of dissensions within the Anna camp. Also that the deadlock was broken only because Congress/government negotiators spoke directly to Anna.
 
Anna appointed Kiran Bedi, Prashant Bhushan and me to negotiate with the government. One day I was very tired and Kiran was also not around. So, Medha and Prashant went for the meeting. The next thing we hear [from the media] is that Kiran and I have been sidelined, that we are hardliners, and we are deliberately preventing Anna from breaking his fast. This was disinformation by the government.
 
You started with the maximalist position of "Jan Lokpal Bill by August 30 and any amendments only with Anna's permission." From that to accepting a "sense-of-the-house" resolution that was not voted upon — wasn't it a climbdown?
 
When we started on August 16, there was such an overwhelming response that we thought the government would agree to our demands. People wanted the JLB. After a few days we realised that there was a serious leadership crisis in the government — negotiators were constantly backing off. In the last three days of the fast, it happened four times. The Prime Minister made a conciliatory statement, Rahul Gandhi went off on a tangent. Salman Khurshid, Medha and Prashant sat together and drafted a resolution. Next day [August 27], at 1.30 p.m., Salman said no resolution. It became clear to us that what we wanted — Parliament voting on a resolution containing Anna's three demands — was not going to happen. Therefore we had to change our strategy.
 
Are you satisfied with the resolution that was adopted? It is not categorical and leaves escape clauses.
 
We are satisfied because it contains Anna's three demands. It will not be easy for the Standing Committee to renege on Parliament's commitment. We will be keenly watching the Committee's proceedings and the MPs also ought to know that they are on watch. I know, of course, that it is a long journey ahead.
 
Kiran Bedi told a TV channel that at one point when all seemed lost, a miracle happened: L.K. Advani called her and gave her his word that a solution will be reached by the following evening [August 27]. She also said that the Bharatiya Janata Party, which until then was ambiguous on the JLB, changed its stand and offered full support to Anna.
 
We met the leaders of the main political parties thrice and as part of this we also met Mr. Advani. However, we have been clear that no BJP leader or leader of any communal organisation will share the stage with us. This is the decision of our core committee. As for Kiran talking about Mr. Advani, please put that question to her.
 
So are you an apolitical movement?
 
No, we are political but we are concerned with people's politics. The movement will always remain outside of political parties and outside of electoral politics.
 
You will not float a political party?
 
No, never. We don't need to get into the system to fight it. We want to pressure the government and assert our rights as citizens. Everyone who has a dream need not get into politics.
 
Doubts have been raised about the credentials of those who have donated money to IAC. Sometime ago, a citizens' group from Hyderabad wrote to you saying it was shocked to see some very discredited names in your list of donors.
 
A number of people have contributed money to the Anna movement. There is complete transparency from our side. Our receipts and expenditure are transparent. But we have no mechanism to go into the antecedents of our donors. And donations are streaming in, making it impossible to keep track. If there is a glaring case, we will certainly investigate it. I know, for instance, that there has been talk of the Jindal group. But those who donated to IAC are from Sitaram Jindal, not the Jindal mining group.
 
Your entire fight is about transparency and accountability. One of your NGOs, Public Cause Research Foundation, received donations on behalf of IAC and issued receipts in its name. But until August 29, there was no mention of Anna or the donations on the PCRF website.
 
That is an oversight. We will immediately update the website and provide a link to IAC.
 
Another of your NGOs, Kabir, received grants from the Ford Foundation (FF). According to the FF, Kabir received $172,000 in 2005 and $197,000 in 2008. The FF also sanctioned an "in-principle" grant of $200,000 for 2011, which you have not accepted so far. Why does Kabir not mention the FF and these specific details on its website?
 
We did not give the specific details because we also got some other NRI contributions and these were clubbed together. I will make sure that the website gives the break-up.
 
Fears have been expressed about the form of mobilisation we saw over the last four months. There was anger and impatience and, some would say, coercion in your methods. During the Ram Rath yatra, too, the BJP said people were angry because the mandir had not been built for 40 years. Aren't you setting a worrying precedent?
 
The two situations are not comparable. One was communal and divisive and went against the grain of the Constitution. We are not asking for anything illegal. Our demands resonate with the people and our movement has been unifying, non-violent and entirely within rights given by the Constitution. What is wrong if people demand a strong law against corruption? What is wrong if they ask for the Jan Lokpal Bill?
 
Why did you ask for Parliamentary due process to be suspended? You didn't want the JLB to go to the Standing Committee.
 
The JLB was drafted after wide consultations; it underwent many revisions based on feedback. Where is this kind of discussion in the drafting of any sarkari Bill?
 
The purpose of the Standing Committee is to take multiple views on board. But not all Bills reach the Standing Committee, and in 90 per cent of the cases, the government does not accept the Committee's recommendations. So why the fuss only for JLB which has been widely discussed and debated?
 
 

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