Re: II Re: [HumJanenge] Mr. Rahul Gandhi - thats what we are also saYING

It is humbug and hypocrite to have two methods and agency to deal with lower staff and upper level officers. Read carefully: Lower level staff becomes corrupted only because of the top level staff is corrupted. Indira Gandhi was not prosecuted on Nagarwala scam and that is why the corruption at top level continued. We have spared Nehru, Indira Gandhi, Rajiv Gandhi and Sonia at several occassions. Similar is the case with top officers. When upper level officers are corrupted they have no moral courage to take action against lower level staff. This is my personal experience in telecommunication. A general manager was involved in unlawful act and it was recorded in a call. He was saved by the Chief General Manager, because he bribed the Chief General Manager by giving him few lakhs rupees. A general manager in TCIL had told me that to get his work contract extended for three months, he has to make some  payment to Chief General Manager. A General Manager of Finance was allotting fund only if he gets some bribe. Now what all I am talking about, are the matters related with ITS officers (Indian Telecommunication Services Officers which is en-par with Indian Administrative Services) of same channel of recruitment. These officers are there in the department to safe guard each other. This is the fact. I can tell it on oath.   Therefore it is useless to not cover top officers under Lok Pal Bill. The "end" of Anna's fast is OK as we do not want Anna Hazare to get lost. According to me the Nehruvian Congress is not worthy to show any pity or relaxation. Every Nehruvian Congress understands only language of pressure from mass movement, language of money. You pay him and get the work done. How Industrialists are doing? To mix Iodine in salt. BJP government had made it optional. Without any protest or agitation from public or salt manufacturers the Nehruvian Congress made it compulsory.  Why? Because they were paid. As for voting on Lokpal Bill is concern: Media is supposed to concentrate its strength on MPs calling and interviewing them individually to disclose their say in details on the bill on each disputed point extensively with reasons. It should be a live interview so that people can watch it and can understand as to where each MP stands. Besides this, there should not be any pressure on the MPs from the party, while they are expressing views and casting vote. Remember. If parliament is superior to civil society, then its members are supposed to be free to vote on the line they want. It must be very clear to the people as well as to the Nehruvian Congress party that members are not the representatives of party,  members are representative of people. People have right to know as to why and where their representatives cast their vote. This is because people are supreme to even constitution.    --- On Sun, 28/8/11, R Srinivasan <kamsri2005@yahoo.com> wrote: From: R Srinivasan <kamsri2005@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: II Re: [HumJanenge] Mr. Rahul Gandhi - thats what we are also saYING To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com Date: Sunday, 28 August, 2011, 8:44 PM Dear Mr Harjap                  I am a retired beuracrat as well.Whatever I have written is based on my experience and knowledge.Mr Anna Hazare,I respect him, But what is his experience and knowledge to ask for a populst LOKpal bill.Mahatma Gandi Knew what he ws saying and its impact.I saw hooligans  fully drunk beating up police in support of Anna.Gandhi would have withdrawn his fst if any of his folowers misbehaved like that.What I am saying is that Respect the constitution.Provide cheks and balances in the Lokpal Bill. The whole bill will be used to correct low lvel corruption of Court Clerks and post men helping in the process high level corruption.High level corruption has an economic impact makin living impossible necessitating low level corruption of Post men and Clerks whose demsnd does not pinch but only delay the process.Anna,s Lokpal Bill will crash the administration to a Halt. R.Srinivasan --- On Sun, 28/8/11, Harjaap <harjaap@gmail.com> wrote: > From: Harjaap <harjaap@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: II Re: [HumJanenge] Mr. Rahul Gandhi - thats what we are also saYING > To: "humjanenge@googlegroups.com" <humjanenge@googlegroups.com> > Date: Sunday, 28 August, 2011, 6:48 AM > Ok, then why isn't it happenning ? > What is your suggestion for a plan that will work > > Sent from my iphone > > On 28-Aug-11, at 6:55 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Dear Mr Harjaap (???) > > > > *I* did not go on National TV obscenely waggling *my* > (comparatively > > slimmer) buttocks for the cheap entertainment of all > and sundry. > > > > I'm not sure what your background in law is, but its > the little things > > like a) the Constitution b) the flag c) secularism , > d) justice for > > all, and e) RULE OF LAW that hold this country > together. Its a proud > > day for India when sons of the soil like Mr Lalu > Yadav, Mr Sharad > > Yadav etc have to stand up and defend Parliamentary > democracy from > > brattish young foreigners like Rahul Gandhi (half > Italian), Scindia > > (half Nepali) etc. who have slimed their way despotic > way into > > Parliament > > > > I would strongly advise you to read / view what the > aforesaid Yadavs > > had to say in Parliament. In any case they are all as > equally > > fraudulent as Anna Hazare and IAC is. > > > > In my Humble view, there is only 1 surefire cure for > corruption. > > > > "Pure, Righteous citizens who recognise corruption > when faced with it > > and can chop its head off as violently as they can". > This is what > > really won us our independence, and not all those > bleating sheep > > shouting their slogans and waving their flags. > > > > Sarbajit > > > > On 8/28/11, Harjaap <harjaap@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Hi Sarbajit, > >> > >> A few days ago you flamed at another members > unprofessional use of > >> language in the group mails and at another time > when your point of > >> view is contradicted. > >> > >> Mr R Srinivasan: you being an advocate would know > how even the clerks > >> in the court need money to do the work they are > required to be doing . > >> Hundreds of those poor lower bureaucrats you > mention, pay bribe to get > >> a plum posting and then justify their corruption > because they need to > >> break even and make a profit. > >> > >> There will not be. 100% concurrence on the > movement. Even for the > >> Independence Movement, there were thousands of > Indians, many employed > >> or enjoying British Patronage, used to ridicule > the freedom fighters. > >> > >> I do not expect the import of what has happenned, > to register to you > >> just yet. For some people, it will take some time > to realize. However, > >> you and your families will reap the benefits. > >> > >> Cheers > >> > >> Harjaap > >> >