Re: [HumJanenge] CORRUPTION - Understanding and Removing It.

It is obvious that none of us speciallly in this group have understood "Curruption" - let alone removing it. In my humble understanding we Indians are all basically currupt - giving and accepting  gifts (Daan) is an age old custom - Dowary, Curruption etc are all an extension and manifestation of this custom. Person giving bribe says that he is sharing his wealth and person demanding bribe says please share your wealth. Almighty Lord himself has publicly accepted that he took so many Avatars but could not convert even a single person! All this is acceptable if it is within tolarable limits. Unfortunately Today it has crossed this Lakshmana Rekha and so common man is hurt very badly. So a revolt is bruing, and may explode one of these days. Preaching is going on for last 5000 years and has not conerted even a single person.

From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 16 June 2011 5:01 PM
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] CORRUPTION - Understanding and Removing It.

Dear Mr Devasahayam

The so-called anti-dowry / pro women laws are a double-edged sword which are being tremendously misused and we have no faith in them.

In my religion / community (Brahmo Samaj) we do not take or accept dowry. Our wedding ceremonies are simple / austere and mostly take place in the same civil format specified in the Special Marriages Act before the Marriage Registrar. ie. in the presence of at least 2 or 3 witnesses and both families, the bride & groom publcily agree to marry each other with the blessing (non-financial) of both families and exchange garlands/rings. The actual ceremony is over in about 10 minutes - but can be extended if required with sermons / hymns which are not essential.to the ceremony

It is said of my religion that we
a) are Born like Hindus
b) Marry like Muslims, &
c) Divorce like Christians.

One of our formely associated faiths (ie Arya Samaj) has a marriage law which is being tremendously misused. It is called the Arya Samaj Validation of Marriages Act 1939. This reprehensible Act is the cause of all broken / love / couirt marriages. which are run by network of advocates and fake Arya Samajes. This law is widely abused by bigamists and polygamists, and unlike all other prior laws applicable to Hindus which were repealed in 1956 when the "Hindu Code" (ie. thjose 5 or 6 laws for Hindus) came into force, this law was never repealed to legitimise the Bastardy within the Nehru-Gandhi parivar and allow their non-Hindu wives to become "Hindus" or not at the flick of a switch (OM-OFF-ON .. etc).

Sarbajit

On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 3:37 PM, Devasahayam MG <mgd@airtelmail.in> wrote:

Dear Sarbajit,

You are fond of simple solutions. I had mentioned some of them in my interview excerpt.

I will throw a challenge to the community of social and anti-corruption activists with a one-point agenda. Can you do away with the social evil called 'dowry system' which is the worst form of bribe/corruption prevalent in every household and has been the cause for the devastation of many families and the life/honour of their daughters? There are enough laws to help you.

M.G.Devasahayam
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On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 3:25 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Shri Anand

I think you shall find that this small mailing list has many domain specialists in "corruption" with a large number of public servants (past / present) and forces personnel subscribing. We also have the usual complement of  "activists" who tend to be more vocal / shrill than our regular membership.

Corruption is certainly a complex issue to understand / deal with. The middle class examples for black money generation you listed are primarily IMHO due to the skewed and unrealistic taxation policies of the (financially and morally bankrupt) Governments of the day which favour the politician-mafia-middleman nexus to the detriment of middle class citizens who are compelled to participate.in corruption against their will to avoid losing out to sky-rocketing inflation and unjustified taxes. The lower classes in turn have their own myriad sets of victimisation examples.

In deliberately simplistic terms, my personal view is that corruption is a a rapidly spreading CANCER which causes even healthy cells to turn black. The homeopathic precriptions for this CANCER being touted by "quacks" (in all senses of this word) are sweet placebos - being heavily promoted in the media and by foolish people who should know better -  can never cure the problem which affects Mother India.  It needs RADICAL SURGERY and before it is too late.  If your house is somehow infested with cockroaches, will you dial a number (.. "you are in the queque"...)  to be given a medicine which MAY kill 1 cockroach after 2 YEARS (see wording of Jan Lok Pal Bill), OR will you yourself pick up a can of HIT and start spraying judiciously OR call in an efficient PEST CONTROL SERVICE ????

Respectfully

Sarbajit

On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 2:21 PM, Y.P. Anand <ypanandindia@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

Dear Shri Sarbjit Roy,

>Thanks for your comments on my note to Shri Devasahayam. I do not know who should be called a 'Gandhian'. That is also not the issue here. Each one of us has many component identities, and putting labels hardly helps.

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>My note to Shri Devasahayam applies to everyone, including myself. With my long background experience, I do feel that the issue of 'Corruption' needs to studied much more thoroughly than it is being done by the activists at present. Corruption in its various forms is a wide-spread phenomenon in our society, particularly among the successful upper middle classes to which people like me belong. We need to be much more self-critical on this issue. Taking simple examples, black money is being generated all round through under-valued declarations of the amounts when we purchase/sell a property, when we make major additions/alterations to our houses/flats illegally, when we buy jewellery, vehicles, etc. without full receipts, when we under-state our incomes while filing incom-tax returns, and in numerous other similae cases.  

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>Corruption in all its forms must be opposed. Also, governments and the personnel involved must be held responsible wherever obvious failures to ensure integrity in public life come to notice. However, we get a right to speak on the subject only to the extent we have looked inwards also, and have assured ourselves of the facts in each case. Otherwise, it becomes a self-righteous outcry, which in the long run hardly ever helps the cause.

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>YP Anand

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