Re: [HumJanenge] 3 POSITIVE points which Baba, Anna and IAC will never ask for

I am not afraid of this Bill/Law.
I am against it because the way certain people are going about it subverts all democratic and constitutional norms / systems
I am not interested in the least to be on any Govt body/post. My writings on this are purely a tactical move.
Sarbajit

On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 5:16 PM, Mathre Rangarajan <rangajan@yahoo.com> wrote:

Dear Sarabjit,

What are you affraid of? Even if the Jan Lokpal Bill is drafted, do you think Parliament will pass it? You are  so venomous against all, just because you were not made a member of this group? You have made amply clear in various postings that you are more than qualified and should have been included, but Government did not choose to and hance you have leashed this anti compaign. ha! ha!

From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com>
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, 13 June 2011 2:40 PM
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] 3 POSITIVE points which Baba, Anna and IAC will never ask for

Dear Hemant

Sometimes Individuals (acting as ninjas) can achieve more than crowds. Take an example in my own case (because you asked in a previous email)

I played a pivotal role in getting Mr Pramod Mahajan out of the Union Cabinet when he was Telecom Minister. Because of this the Govt was able to get about Rs. 3,000+ crores as revenue for licence violations (actually they didnt have a licence in the first place - only the blessings of Ataljis "family". I could only do this because there ARE honest babus - who need fearless, honest & skilled citizens to do what they cant do themselves.

Sarbajit

On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 2:02 PM, Mr. Hemant Kshirsagar <hemantkshirsagar01@gmail.com> wrote:

So that does not mean that we can ignore such good platforms for the same.

Do we as an individual have a power to collect such fan following???

The least we can do is follow such people who create a movementum for the same.

Regards,

On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Mr Rangarajan

FIRST: The fear of God will not be put into dishonest public servants by new laws or "old wine in new bottles"<he he>.

SECOND: The existing laws are essentially decentralised into various investigative agencies with some checks and balances. Now the fascist forces want centralised laws / big brother / police + judge to be combined at one point / grid.

THIRD:  All these people - Anna, Baba, Bhushan&Bhushan, Arvind, Hegde are essentially COLLABORATORS who have all regularly taken Govt money at some point in time for services rendered  Such QUISLINGS are doing all this drama knowing very well that "only the small fish will be caught while the big operators will carry on"- (and can Mr Prasanth Bhushan deny that he made this remark in a public place albeit privately?)

Sarbajit

On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 12:27 PM, Mathre Rangarajan <rangajan@yahoo.com> wrote:

M. Rangarajan,

(retired Group General Manager ONGC)

B 2 – 301, SRIRAM SPANDHANA,

Chellaghatta village,

Bangalore – 560037.

Phone: 25227955, mobile 9945091581

e-mail: rangajan@yahoo.com / rangajan@gmail.com

Dated 13th June 2011

The following two statements in the below postings is quite interesting:

 

First - "put the fear of God into dishonest public servants" - how do you do it? It is very obvious that exixting laws have failed to do this and everybody agrees without any exception. Do you expect our honourable M Ps who are leaders in curruption (may be baring very very few) will ever pass a law to end curruption? Not in my life time.

 

Second - "NEGATIVE laws which will turn India into a POLICE STATE controlled by fascist forces" - Why do you need any new law for this - the existing laws are enough - Smt Indira Gandhi declared ememgency - Delhi police brutally beat up innocent sleeping people - there are hundreds of examples of such brutal action by state in the past in India. 

 

 

From: Dr. NC JAIN <j_nc@hotmail.com>
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, 13 June 2011 11:20 AM
Subject: RE: [HumJanenge] 3 POSITIVE points which Baba, Anna and IAC will never ask for

Dear sir
  I donot agree with you. You might recall an incident in history when Pandits of India stated that Mohmad Gajnavi will not do anything to the Somnath temple because, they have saved the temple with their Mantras& Slokas. Everyone knows the result. Today, it is Kalyoug,where things have to be snatched and not given. You have to fight for your right , no one is going to donate it. In theses circumstances, it is appropriate to fuel the fire for the second war of independence  started by Jaiprakash Narain.The war is to make Indians free.
Dr N C Jain
13-6-11
 

Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 01:30:10 +0530
Subject: [HumJanenge] 3 POSITIVE points which Baba, Anna and IAC will never ask for
From: sroy.mb@gmail.com
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com

Baba, SrSri, Anna, Swami-A, Swami-S, GuruV, GuruM ....

3 small POSITIVE steps (followed in many progressive countries) is all it takes to generate the momentum to reduce corruption to the point where it will cease to affect the ordinary citizens (ie those who pay bribes for daily services, school admissions, building sanctions etc), reduce inflation, and put the fear of God into dishonest public servants.

Why have all these Babas and Swamis not agitated for these POSITIVE steps while instead only demanding NEGATIVE laws which will turn India into a POLICE STATE controlled by fascist forces ?

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