Thursday, June 9, 2011

Re: 2nd Freedom Struggle Re: [HumJanenge] WE all have failed the nation


      Dear Sir,
      Do you really feel Democracy that we are practicing is good and effective to make all Bhaarateey people happy & comfortable with it? Please note that this system is really 'foreign' to us and was imposed by British and then continued by our Government even after 1947. Since ancient times this Democracy was never in vogue in Bhaarat and Bhaarat was known to outsiders as 'Suvarnbhoomee' and even foreign travellers have written that there was no beggar anywhere therein. There was no Democracy there then.
      Since last 60 years Bhaarat is using Democracy and Janataa is electing its representatives to rule over self. The people or voters rarely if at all elected parties but the persons whom they feel were their true leaders. In Democracy such people have no place and to do anything they have to join a political party. If that becomes ruling, then these 'leaders' have to obey the party diktats on everything and vote for those resolutions agreed by the party. Once become ruling, that party does not give any value or importance to the election manifesto that they might have declared for getting votes. They carry out their activities and resolutions as per their predetermined agenda. They do not accept any interference of Janataa in its functioning, nor they give any value or importance to the opposition parties in the Parliament. In spite of these 'obstacles' they carry out their programmes. During all the period between elections, they are busy in collecting money for themselves and their party and also trying to keep their vote banks happy, so that they can get elected in next election also.They have no time to worry for the Nation or the people therein. Just imagine with 45 lakh crore rupees GDP of Bhaarat, there are around 60% of its population does not have adequate food to eat for survival. Of all people farmers are committing suicides. It is surely not expected from a responsible Government? But this is Democracy.
       Government is merrily following Western culture abandoning our own. Do not think that the Democracy being followed by West in something superior odr different. Are you aware that just 5 years before the Democratic Party of USA had established Environmental Pollution Control Commission to ensure Industry mantains the Enviromment pollution free. They made some rules for indudtry to follow for this. Just last year the Republicans (who have majority in Senate now) warned the EPC Commissionesr not to make Industry expend more with environmental pollution aspect. Since they say that there is no proof that the pollytion is because of industrial activities. So USA also is nor concerned with Earth (leave aside USA). Whatever one party (when was in majority) had done, the other just dismantles the same when their chance comes. Is it the way the States are functioning?
      Just see any country having Democracy. You will find there are minimum two divisions among people and are continupously fighting for power (for themselves), isn't it? How can Democracy really give any comfort or happiness to people or any prestige to the country? In Democracy the Government always becones arrogant and cannot consider all people as their own. That is the problem.
      Actually, as Dr Ferguson, a historian in Harvard Institutes states in his book "Civilization: The West and The Rest" that the West has patented six applications (of Statecraft) since last 600 years and have offered them to the Rest. The Rest have started accepting them since last 100 years starting with Japan. USA as we see currently is in its downhill journey and none can expect it to come up in near future. Japan has also (apparently due to Natural disasters) going the same way. Please note that the author gives the applications an adjective 'killer'. One of them is 'Competition'. Don't you think Democracy is only Political image of Competition?
      Democracy is a systen of Government unsuitable to any country in the world. Since others have not seen any except Dictatorship & Democracy, they do consider Democracy better. But Bhaarat has known others from ancient times functioning very well. It is its responsibility to practice some effective one from our earlier times and guide others to it, It is our responsibility also as Jagadguru. Shaantiparv in Mahaabhaarat gives in detail as to what are the duties of Government and how they are to be conducted.
      With regards to all,
      ------Mukund Apte
     

On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 10:33 AM, Devendra Tripathi <tripathidk@yahoo.com> wrote:
Whereas I also share the frustration at the present government, after huge scandals and what happened at Ramlila Maidan, we must not make it a simple party issue. Janata party of late 70s did not do any better (thank God, they were out quickly). Likewise Pt Jawahar Lal did do good by focussing on education. Rajiv Gandhi did do good by focussing on technology (rather than getting bogged down by we-need-drinking-water-and-not-computer  syndrom), PV Narsimha Rao did have foresight to open the economy (rather than getting bogged down by multinationals-will-slave-us-again syndrom).
 
Today India is largest democracy in world. Please do not understimate this fact.
 
 Having said, that, enough of this Govt. Its sins have overflowed and it MUST go at earliest.
 
Regards,
Devendra Tripathi
Cell: +1(408)416-1848



From: HG PANDYA <hgpandya@gmail.com>
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wed, June 8, 2011 10:02:23 PM
Subject: Re: 2nd Freedom Struggle Re: [HumJanenge] WE all have failed the nation

Hi Mr. Parvez, I do agree with u and our stratagy is silent and not attacking enimy. our politicians are also like that. They don't commit for any thing for the country. And now our own nonsense people, hungry for money, corrupt by birth, currency eating paste are downsizing the country. Our learned PM uttering nothing...and silent, inactive......helpless we are.

On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 3:47 PM, Parvez Jamasji <parvez1942@yahoo.com> wrote:
Jai Hind, Ketan.
 
125 year old monstrous party has shown the marg darshan to this Nation "loot by the Thugs, FOR the Thugs, to IMPOVERISH the Janta.

This is party has to be give a "go by" in EVERY election, w.e.f. NOW ! 
 
Since the last 64 years ? ? ?
 
Has \ HAD India countered SUCCESSFULLY ANY of the MANY insurgents since INDEPENDENCE ? by ANY "means" ? 
What do the Insurgents, SEPARATISTS; EXTREMISTS WANT ?
 Good Governance, CRP; police OR . . . . during the last 64 years ? ? ? 
 
HAD neta-babu, MEA;  ANY Foresight & \ OR Capability to deal EFFECTIVELY with ANY of our problems, the Chronology of GOOFS >
Since 1948 Skardu to Kargil, to. . . . , to. . . . would have Read as Chronology of Accolades.
 
1948 Instead of taking Skardu (now POK) India went to UN
 
1962 Forfeited nearly 100,000 sq km territory in Aksai Chin & Arunachal Pradesh
 
1965 Instead of taking Lahore, went to Taskent.
 
1972 Released 94,000 POWs BEFORE Kashmir was SOLVED, for NOTHING IN RETURN
 
1999 PROMOTED to Governorship; the architect of Kargil "Intelligence" Failure
 . . . .carry on . . . .  2010 & on . . . . 2047
 
We may not have had "sharam" at  al Sheik", nor the present FIASCO 15/16.07.2010    
 
Lest WE Forget, at Agra a Pak Journo REMINDED us "Pak did NOT lose. 
India LOST at that table; what it gained in 1971 WAR, by the sweat; blood & Tears of the Fauj & their Families. 
 
India has such "budhimans \ hoshyars" * akalmands, withinthat it does NOT need Enemies without ?
 
Track Record is the best place to fall back on, to discern OUR FUTURE !
  
Instead of Endless TV debates on WHETHER to have or not, any talks. 
Focus on IMPROVING India by ridding the "stupidity WITHIN"
 
Hats off to the Pakistani TV guests who tolerate incessant Indian Anchor's shrill interruptions. Listening to his own voice
No one else can. . . 
- - - -
 
VOTE FOR RASHTRIYA RAKHSHA DAL
At Least, let us ALL; give a chance to a Party launched by a Fauji & vote, for ridding OURSELVES of corruption; better governance, Equity & Justice for Fauji Veterans.
 
Rashtria Raksha Dal requires OUR whole hearted support.

 
Thanks for your time.

Best Wishes.

Parvez Jamasji
 
E      :   parvez1942@yahoo.com
        :   parvezjamasji@hotmail.com
 
Tel   : 91-22-2412 1656 > 9 am to 9 pm = GMT + 5 1/2 hrs.
Mob  : 91 - 9820813951 \ 98201 88926
Minoo Mansion, 799 J J Road, Dadar, Bombay - 400 014, India
 
 
--- On Mon, 6/6/11, Ketan Modi <modiketan@rediffmail.com> wrote:
From: Ketan Modi <modiketan@rediffmail.com>
Subject: [HumJanenge] You all have failed the nation
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Date: Monday, 6 June, 2011, 12:22 PM


Dear Sir/Madam,
I am a citizen of India. I am residing in south Mumbai, currently
represented in the parliament by Mr. Milind Deora, Congress MP. I am
writing this to protest against the action at Ramlila Maidan. You all
have connived with each other to loot the nation.

PLEASE INFORM YOUR PARTYS NOMINEE AND/OR HIS/HER
REPRESENTATIVE/WORKER/S NOT TO VISIT ME SOLICITING FOR VOTES IN THE
NEXT ELECTION IF YOU/YOUR PARTY/LEADERS ARE GOING TO SUPPORT THE
DILUTION OF RTI ACT AND ITS PROVISIONS. MY FAMILY HAS THREE VOTES AND
WE SHALL HAVE TO RESORT TO NEGATIVE VOTING IF YOU, BEING MY
GOVERNMENT/OPPOSITION. CANNOT PROTECT MY INTEREST AS CITIZEN AND ARE
DESIROUS TO CONTINUE WITH THE ALL ROUND CORRUPTION THAT WE ARE FACING.

I am sending a copy of this mail to other community members with whom I
am in touch directly or indirectly seeking their support in this fight
against corruption.

We get the government we elect and I dont want to elect a corrupt
Government. Satyameva Jayate.

Jai Hind
Ketan Modi


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      With regards to all,
      ------Mukund Apte

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