Re: [IAC#RG] we have no option but to 'wait and watch'

Most All our Govs in India since 1947, from the time of our Independence have not remained free from the Blame of Massive Corruption.

Now this Sudden forced push from Cash to Less Cash Digital way #Demonetisation of Life for our Huge Civil Society could well be  a ' Slyly covered up and Masked' stroke But a too well ' Scripted thought-out ploy to Hoodwink the masses' on a wider-scale by smartly masking it with a :- Less cash available for people But on sidelines, continuing with A Pre-Decided Smart Policy of continuing with Even Huge Corruption for just a few handful selective favorites in Governance and its foundation cementing Lare Corporations, MNCs, TNCs Trans National Global Corporations both moving in Tandom with Similar Objectives to have More from All just for Them . 

Besides, Suddenly now the nation has started heainga a new word for example;--'' PAY tm " where a few feelis corporateintervensionin Governance of Society ! 

We saw no any debate from chosen elected Representatives and none howeverraised this issue as to; Ifet All , there is a provision ofNationbeing governed by ' Privatization ' ?  Whythen we have election Commission oreven Parliaments andStateLegislative Assemblies ? 

 IS THIS ALL PRIVATIZATION or (Demonetisation of society ) EVEN CONSTITUTIONAL AT ALL ?  

Our Government seems decidedly stepping into ' Corporate Governance Mode' for entire Nation cleverly bypassing even the Constitutional Amendment Required for this. But shouldwe not see and reflect If at all, Privatizationof Entire Societyis even Constitutional at all  with out suitableParliamentaryAmendments enactedandin place ?   

Ashok Sharma 
New Delhi - India
Dec 22,2016 12:37pm

On 21 December 2016 at 17:49, Girish Raturi <raturigirish@gmail.com> wrote:

The persons who support demonetisation are empty head. Are India achieved every thing like Education, Health, Employments, Infrastructure developments and societal penetration does all the deposits at banks achieved incomplete developments. deposits at banks are liabilities towards nation, The banks already sit on over 10 lac crore stress capital and we are talking about bullet train and all nation will adopt digital payment my god, god will  help this country.   

On 20 December 2016 at 20:59, "truevalue_pandian@yahoo.com" <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:

Where is the question of " wait and watch " when we know for sure that demonetisation is the worst kind of chicanery played on the poor and middle class. Demonetisation can NEVER dent the declared objectives
Corruption has increased; black money has turned pink; terror, drugs and Maoists are having field day. There isn't even a semblance of abatement after 42 days. Unscrupulous politicians are taking us for a ride. We all thought Modi is clean, but by his repeated taunts on the opposition that they are corrupt, anti national, etc. he is revealing himself to be intolerant, void of reason and irrationally stubborn. To top it all, he is bluffing us all that all will be well in 50 days. Still we have not seen a 500 or 1000 note in circulation. I am awaiting his next master stroke : " 2000 rupee notes are not legal tender from 12 mid night today." How daring? Regards.

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Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] we have no option but to 'wait and watch'
From: "m.g.r. rajan"
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I am not a supporter of the Congress. But this 'six-decades' and 'seven-decades misrule by Congress statement' being made by one and all in the BJP, is becoming a joke. Contexts change with time. The BJP was given a large mandate (my vote too helped) to improve things but how long do we have to 'wait and watch' the experiments done at the cost of the common man. The Honorable PM, said that demonetization should have been done by Indira Gandhi in 1971, and she is said to have refused as per a historian. I don't know if this historian's record is quoted in context. For a moment, if we accept the historian's statement, what happened to the demonetization in 1978, by the Janata Party (the parent body of BJP). Did it help? No it did not? Why? 

Even the so-called 'cleaning up' by the present the demonetization, with  all the computerized banking, will last only for a while, as it is obvious with the huge amounts of new currency being caught. 

I think, and I hope I am wrong -The government is trying hard to show that a significant amount of black money is not being returned, by bringing the Rs. 5000 limit of old currency, rule. 

MGR Rajan

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Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] we have no option but to 'wait and watch'

 

're Ravi's 'wait and watch' theme : Ravi must be among the privileged few who are not affected at all by the cash crunch else why would he deny the havoc it has played on everyone else - the rural population, employment guarantee schemes, agri. markets, and prices, on urban wage labour, small shops, parents with school going kids, housewives, patients, the sick and elderly being denied critical treatment and collapsing in bank queues.

As for the six decades theme :  were Nehru, Shastri, Morarji, Rao and Indira themselves corrupt? Did they have the big business friends our present leaders have bankrolling their election to seats of power?

Banks floundering under NPAs have now been recapitalized with our honest money and they will now use their reserves to dish out more bad loans to the same defaulters before the next state elections. Much of which will fill the BJP cadres' pockets in return for new favours being granted. This has been the biggest scam perpetrated on the Indian people since Independence.

Is there a good reason why BJP, at least in the Lok Sabha cannot amend legislation to the three acts that protects the names of NPA holders who are at least partly responsible for our present state? Or the names of the real black income hoarders known to all investing agencies, FIs,  governments here and abroad but kept hidden from Indian citizens??

Ravi ji, kindly answer these questions if you aim at serious discussion, not a repeat of ruling party jumlas.

J. Roy

On 17 Dec 2016 19:31, truevalue_pandian@yahoo.com <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
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> Again and again " six decades ". Kindly remember : out of these six decades 12.5 years are from B.J.P. States ruled by B.J.P. are no less corrupt. The two previous terms by B.J.P. were not spectacular. They did nothing for the country. They started linking of rivers and left in the middle. For three years they are starting to clean Ganga. They came to power not on their strength, but by the weakness of Congress. It is sheer rhetoric and smoke screen that they are " tackling " corruption through demonetisation. These two are not at all related. All the savings of every common man is squeezed out to the banks, impounded and systematically siphoned off to the 100 business men holding 80% of the country's wealth and NPAs. They lied to the people when they said corrupt Congress men are holding black money out of the country and they will get it back. Now the RBI governor says all ATMs are working normally. How shameful! Their attorney says nobody will die due to lack of money. Can they understand the agony of a father who has money in his account but unable to draw it to feed his children, pay medical bills, buy essentials? Are you for corruption or demonetisation? is their query. What a chicanery! When they were in opposition, they never permitted the parliament to function; when the opposition wants a debate, they are crying foul. They brand Congress as a party rejected by the people while having ministers rejected by their own constituencies. Incidentally , Gujarat did not prosper due to Modi; it was in spite of Modi, his divisive, communal, parochial politics. Regards.
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> Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Can nation be trusted in hands of Gujaratis ?
> From: Ravichandran Rajamannar
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>> Can nation be trusted in hands of Gujaratis?
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>> Answer is - Why not when we have trusted corrupt dynasty for 6 decades and illegal immigation and fake notes !!
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>> Why not, when we trusted people from UP to dominate in all spheres during those years !!
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>> Of course, Modi displays insecurity as he keeps adding more folks from Gujarat at the help of affairs. Not desirable at all when we have 29 states and many of them bigger than Gujarat in terms of population and GDP.
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>> Modi is fighting both sides (elements in BJP pariwar and opposition whose only aim is to protect their corrupt turf) and can easily be removed from power / gaddi whenever people want it. Even mighty Indira could not sustain Emergency for 21 months and bowed out.
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>> He has put his political stake in demonetization. If he wins/fails, he gets bouquets / brickbats respectively. Senior BJP leaders will be baying for his blood and are waiting for an opportunity to pounce on him.
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>> But all steps taken in this exercise seems to be well thought out including cash rationing and people pain. People believe that 2000/ notes will be demonetized soon. He has rationed 500/ notes so it is not hoarded (instead of 2000/)
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>> I have talked to people in my network across states (Rural / Urban), whatsapp groups and in ATM queues - 90% have supported demonetization despite hardships.
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>> Most of us would agree 99% of politicians are corrupt. They act not as people servant but as their master. Financial corruption is the root cause of all other forms of corruptions.  It should be  actually corrupt politicians vs people but we are divided by language, religion, caste, wealth, color, creed etc. Modi has fired first shot on black money. It has certainly weakened strong & corrupt (mostly politicians, govt babus) during money laundering process. Let us wait for his 30-Dec announcement.
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>> Proof of the pudding will be UP election!! Let us see who wins in Modi vs Mahagathbandhan battle.
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>> Ravi
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>> From: Prodipto Roy <prodipto.r@gmail.com>
>> To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 7:44 PM
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>> Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Can nation be trusted in hands of Gujaratis ?
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>> I fail to understand why Modi is credited with the economic rise of Gujarat. It was booming before the BJP itself was created, in the time of Chimanbhai Patel, for instance. In British times Gujaratis moved out of their region and bought up extensive properties in Bombay and in Calcutta, the first Raj capital. In fact, we could go back over 3-4000 years to Harappan times to see how Gujarati businesses together with Chinese traders on the Silk Route and countries of the Near East established cities, ports, carnelian and silk factories (and, later, diamond polishing houses) as important international manufacturing and trading centres in South Asia.
>> Modi's contribution has been to bend legislation and mould  political opinion to favour a certain class of business people with a particular religious affilliation, at the expense of its minority and ethnic tribal population.
>> And under him it has indeed become a police state, home to faked terrorist attacks, fake encounters,  killing of innocent 'suspects' in police custody and a state-supported pogrom against Muslims, else why were his police chief and minister arrested and put into jail after 2002? There has been grievious dispossession of tribal, farming and minority communities and huge environmental degradation by irresponsible industrial houses. The Sabarmati river and Alang are among the most polluted places on earth. Gujarat's future generations will pay the price for these policies.
>> Joya Roy
>> On 14 Dec 2016 18:58, "Rajinder Dalvi" <rajinder.dalvi@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> Gujarat has always been better developed compared to rest of India. Certain communities of Gujarat / Rajasthan control the traditional money supply, diamond, broking and commodity trading of India and remit their money made in rest of India back to their native place. Discovery of oil / gas near Kallol, Ankleshwar etc and Cambay gave rise to strong petrochemicals industry complexes.
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>>> Boom of Gujarat is also because laws were selectively created and bent by Modi to promote capitalism coinciding with boom in stock markets from 2000 til 2012 . One such discriminatory law is the "Gujarat Prohibition of Transfer of Immovable Property for Protection of Tenants from Eviction from premises in Disturbed Areas Act,1991". This misleadingly named law, ostensibly to protect Muslims, has instead enabled Hindus to buy Muslim properties in Hindu areas cheaply after Modi amended it in 2009.
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>>> Gujarat is a police-cum-mafia state today. Prohibition has enabled liquor and drugs to be made freely available everywhere, home delivered at 2-3 times the MRP. Waves upon waves of socially engineered violence have ensured that ghettoisation of Muslims in Gujarat is a reality which cannot be denied except by the bigoted. links below
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>>> It is disturbing if rabidly communal peopl have assumed the reins of national government and also the armed forces and they are sacrificing the nation at the altar of expediency, corruption and cheap popularity.
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>>> regards
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>>> RP Dalvi
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>>> http://www.frontline.in/ static/html/fl2020/stories/ 20031010003303900.htm
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>>> http://blogs.wsj.com/ indiarealtime/2013/05/06/a- new-twist-on-ahmedabads- segregation/
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>>> http://twocircles.net/ 2009jul17/modi_govt_amend_law_ make_tougher_muslims_buy_ hindu_properties.html#. WFE9G3qPuTs
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>>> On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 2:44 PM, Anand Gangoli <anandgangoli22@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>> The comments of Mr Dalvi against Gujeratis is an indication of some sort of envy. There is no doubt that Gujerat has developed very fast during the last decade and more. This  development took place in spite of Congress being at the centre for 8 of the last 10 years. No one can deny that Narendra Modi as the chief minister was responsible for the rapid development of Gujerat, with little assistance from the centre. This was achieved largely because of hard work, initiatives (and some calculated risks) taken, and a tight administration which drastically reduced opportunities for corruption.
>>>> I  have found no signs of a fascist state in Gujerat. To make a general statement that Hindu builders do not sell property to Muslims is irresponsible. It is possible that Mr Dalvi is aware of some particular case, and if so, this should be considered an aberration. Basically Gujeratis are businessmen, and will sell an apartment or anything else to anyone who is willing to pay the right price.That is perhaps the secret of their success in commerce. Having said that, the Muslims do need to make efforts to integrate with the rest of our population, and not view the entire world as a  Muslims vs the rest contest. 
>>>> As for Gujerat or (India) being a Fascist state, I can only comment that  had this been true, we would not have been enjoying the freedom of speech (or e mail) as we are enjoying at present!
>>>> Regards
>>>> Anand S Gangoli
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