Re: [IAC#RG] Arundhati Roy: Big money' is backing Modi to end resistance

I sincerely suggest that we stop this diatribe, most times on hearsay, and allow our informed new PM to take the required action. I have faith, and the rest of us must too, that he will find the best solution under the circumstances and ACT.

Regards, Hirak Nag.

On Saturday, 14 June 2014 1:08 PM, R. Dua <r.dua1234@gmail.com> wrote:

As a usual indian, what I feel is that it is for kashmir ppl to be part of India.If what they r looking for r sops,n hve been getting them too.Well,the days r past for these tactics.
They hve potential for dev of handicrafts, tourism n maybe much more.They better get on on this n move on.
Regards to all.

On 13 Jun 2014 17:11, "Sarbajit Roy" <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Rina

I certainly hope that we can all take up Dr. Roy Choudhury's offer to
start a serious discussion about India's INTERNAL security and
internal governance.

My 2 paise on this:-

The only honest Prime Minister India ever had was tricked into signing
the Tashkent Treaty and promptly murdered the next day in his bedroom
by the CIA/Pakistani combine. Since this dastardly move by the
dirty-tricks dept. conveniently took place on Soviet soil, both India
and the USSR could not take this to its logical conclusion due to the
embarrassment to the host country.

We should have left the job to our Armed forces thereafter to do what
had to be done in 1966 and Shastri would certainly have done so - he
was a man of (stainless) steel - and not a wimp as the Congress now
prefers that he be portrayed in history as.

The Kashmiri people were NEVER in favour of joining India. Who is
being naive here ?

Sarbajit

On 6/12/14, Rina Mukherji <rina.mukherji@gmail.com> wrote:
> Mr Roy Chowdhury,
>
> I don't understand what got you to conclude that I consider all anti-Indian
> views Pakistan-inspired. I myself feel that a plebiscite held in the '40s
> would  ve bn in our favour.
> About the process of joining the Indian Union or not, why r u only talking
> of Kashmir? What about Bahawalpur or PEPSU? I know that many r talking of
> Junagadh on these lines. As regards the Kashmiri people, a little research
> will tell you that it is they-Muslim or not- who had  wanted to be part of
> the Indian UNion. The Raja, like many others of his ilk -wanted 2 remain
> independent.
> And pray- why  r u not looking at the mischief Pakistan did ( with US
> backing, of course) in KAshmir?  They stayed put in POK, and continue to do
> so today, in contravention of international law. If you are taling of
> legalities, what legal standing do they have, pray?
>
> R.M
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 7:43 PM, Tridib Roy Chowdhury <
> tridibroychowdhury@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I was hoping to see some more thoughts on UCC comments of mine.
>>
>> Dr. Rina Mukherji - why is it that whenever some one takes a view against
>> your implicit view of Kashmiri, it is assumed that the other side has
>> been
>> ONLY persuaded by Pakistani propaganda. This kind of totalitarian opinion
>> has resulted in getting us where we are today. If you are willing to
>> debate
>> my points I am most willing to engage with an open mind. The questions I
>> raised:
>>
>>    1. Was the process of Kashmir joining the Indian union very
>> democratic?
>>    2. Was there not an obvious opportunity lost by not doing a referendum
>>    and getting a majority of Kashmiris vote for India ? I am sure they
>> will do
>>    so today. (A point to be noted, China possibly has more land that
>> India
>>    claims to be their own.I do not see too many complaining about that -
>> but
>>    let us not digress)
>>    3. On the question of Maoist infested states - I think this continues
>>    to be a law and order problem. But, with a potential for some serious
>>    problems in the future if the development does not kick in.
>>
>> I am not trying to win an argument, but start one. Trying to test the
>> data
>> and logical solidity of well-established positions that we may have as
>> muscle memory.
>>
>> - Tridib Roy Chowdhury
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 5:45 PM, SURESHAN P <sureshandelhi@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I don't understand why we are not able to distinguish truth ? whatever
>>> interest a nation is having it  can't undo and ignore the principle of
>>> truths, Here we are getting counter questions and evasive statements
>>> when
>>> countered with naked truths, No body wants to discuss any thing based
>>> upon
>>> facts and reason but simply dodge or counter the questions by putting
>>> emotional theories, Why we are thinking that the elected representatives
>>> are having better brain than others, this is fundamentally wrong, we
>>> have
>>> seen in the past how our administrators take decisions, only for vote
>>> bank.
>>> Sycophancy, dumbness are ruling majority mindsets in this country..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 11:55 AM, Vishwanath Mada <vishmada@hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all
>>>>
>>>> Kashmir is integral part of India and who are we to decide on anything
>>>> without fully being informed of the pros and cons of the same. Only the
>>>> govt. with full details and information can and should decide on the
>>>> case.
>>>> India is democratic country witch will do in the greater good of India
>>>> and
>>>> for every Indian. Leave it to the people we have elected and it is
>>>> their
>>>> job to work for all our welfare.
>>>>
>>>> Arundati Roy is trying her best to gain some free popularity.
>>>>
>>>> Vishwanath Mada
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2014 21:13:43 +0530
>>>> From: rina.mukherji@gmail.com
>>>>
>>>> To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
>>>> Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Arundhati Roy: Big money' is backing Modi to end
>>>> resistance
>>>>
>>>> Dear Mr Roy,
>>>>
>>>> The Instrument of Accession was the same as that  signed by more than
>>>> 500 princely states to accede to the Indian Union. It is only Pakistan
>>>> that
>>>> declared it illegal.
>>>>
>>>> As 4 the plebiscite, there were certain conditions that needed to be
>>>> fulfilled for the referendum. Pakistan, for instance, had to withdraw
>>>> its
>>>> occupying forces, which it has not done to this day.
>>>>
>>>> There was nothing wrong abt holding a plebiscite then; the Kashmiris
>>>> were all 4 India. Today, Pakistan has created a totally different
>>>> situation. Even otherwise, Indian Kashmir is far more developed and
>>>> freer
>>>> than POK, where a dictatorship is in place, with little room for
>>>> dissent.
>>>>
>>>> We should  ve pushed it into ICJ; but Pakistan had already done so; if
>>>> you study everything, u ll never uphold  Arundhati Roy's opinion. The
>>>> Maoists, the insurgents, and the Kashmiri separatists have all taken
>>>> advantage of the soft Indian state to push the agenda of foreign
>>>> collaborators. What makes Ms Roy support their point of view? I wonder!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dr Rina Mukherji
>>>>
>>>> Kolkata
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 12:28 PM, Gaur J K <gaurjk@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 9/6/14
>>>>
>>>> Dear Sirs,
>>>> This is how we get side-tracked in our discussions on important issues
>>>> of governance.
>>>> In the original post of S. Roy,he had quoted a statement made by
>>>> Arundhati Roy alleging that Big money is backing Modi Govt. and he
>>>> will hand over the land and forest resources after eliminating
>>>> insurgency
>>>> to that lobby even if that leads to shedding blood. This is a matter
>>>> concerning internal security. The two/three issues that have plagued
>>>> the
>>>> country are Terrorism, Naxal insurgency and cross border links between
>>>> the
>>>> two. What in our opinion the Govt. should do to tackle these issues? Is
>>>> Arundhati Roy justified in making this insuation? S. Roy also feels that
>>>> at
>>>> some point of time there will be a clash between the extreme right and
>>>> extreme leftist forces.
>>>> 2. The other issue is use of natural resources-minerals, forest
>>>> wealth,coal etc. If these resources belong to the nation,how the Modi
>>>> Govt.
>>>> should exploit them?
>>>> Import of Arundhati Roy,s statement is- that if the Govt.controls Naxal
>>>> insugency and terrorism and there is blood shed, she will be proved
>>>> right.
>>>>  Regds
>>>> JKGaur
>>>>  ------------------------------
>>>> CC: manavasi.seshadri@gmail.com
>>>> From: jkchaudhry@gmail.com
>>>> Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2014 18:48:12 +0530
>>>>
>>>> To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
>>>> Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Arundhati Roy: Big money' is backing Modi to end
>>>> resistance
>>>>
>>>> When these " liberals " reside in UK ,Australia China,even Saudi
>>>> Arabia,
>>>> They have no qualms in obeying local laws,civil or,criminal ,or
>>>> financial like interest,
>>>> But
>>>> India is different.
>>>> Dare you advocate uniformity or equality before law,apart from personal
>>>> rights?
>>>> J.K.Chaudhry
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 8, 2014, at 1:27 PM, Sureshan <sureshandelhi@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  What is the problem in lack of uniform civil code. Come on if somebody
>>>> marries several women how it hurts the soceity. Why we need a common
>>>> civil
>>>> code after all. This is not a series matter At all
>>>>
>>>> "M.N.Seshadri" <manavasi.seshadri@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  I will support Arundathi Roy if she works for UNIFORM CIVIL CODE In
>>>> India .Article 370will automatically disappear . What else do I want
>>>> !!!
>>>> I have seen Arundathi more in the company of Hurriat than Indians !!!
>>>> Seshadri
>>>>
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