Re: [HumJanenge] Re: WHY WE NEED A HINDU RASHTRA?

Dear Col Singh

1) I don't know how your message got pass our group moderation filters.
2) This is an RTI (Right to Information) discussion group.
3) As Indians (ie. Hindus) we are committed to secularism (as
distinguished from "pseudo-secularism") Nonetheless I would like to
respond to this very provocative post which is otherwise OFF-TOPIC

Firstly, I would very much like to know what your definition of
"Hindu" is. In the law of India (Hindu Code of 1955 onwards) a Hindu
is everyone who is NOT a) Muslim, b) Christian c) Jewish d) Parsi e)
Sikh f) Buddhist / Jain, g) Arya Samajist, h) BrahmoSamajist
i)Prarthana Samajist etc. Also all members of Scheduled Tribes are NOT
Hindus in law. Previously the Privy Council has held that clans like
"Jats" etc. are not Hindus The net position is that "Hindus"
(regretably) thus constitute only less than 30% of India's population
- hardly conducive for a "Hindu" Rashtra. That Babu Suseelan is an
idiot is evident from his condescending statement that Sikhs, Jains,
Aryans, Brahmas etc are ways of worship to reach Hinduism's truth.
Does Babu Suseelan even know WHY the laws of a MUSLIM country
(Bangladesh) distinguish Hindus from Sikhs, Jains, Aryans, Brahmas etc
or has he even heard of a great Hindu like Bal Gangadhar Tilak or know
his views on this?

Secondly, I recall the fate of the world's only Hindu Rashtra - NEPAL
- now a country within the fold of our Enemy No.1. As a military man
you will know that Nepal was lost to Hinduism the day certain "Hindu"
priests (secretly in the pay of Enemy No.1) encouraged a certain old
royal lady to stage manage the (perfectly scripted) systematic
assassination of 1 branch of her family. Is this what you want for
India ?

There is 1 and only 1 way to "convert" India into a Hindu Rashtra -
wipe out all idol worship - and if that doesn't work wipe out all idol
worshippers. It is the HINDU culture of idol worship which encourages
slogans like 'India is Indira (Bharat Mata)", "(uneducated) Sonia is
Durga" etc in the minds of our great unwashed illiterate masses. A
necessary step for this is to break every temple we can find - break
them like the Babri structure was brought down.

After that we can start working on problem #2 - How to control our
(non-idol-worshipping) population so as to achieve Akhand Bharat which
shall stretch from China to KanyaKumari.

Warmly
Sarbajit

On 7/13/12, Col Thakur Singh <thakursinghk@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi
>
> Yes I agree with you.
>
> Tell me , what amendment is required to be done in our constitution for
> the change.
> There must be a particular term to replace , 'SECULAR ', with appropriate
> one and becoming a religious state.
>
> Regards
>
> Col Thakur Singh
> 919873379995
> President,
> Jan Sangh Party
> (HP)
>
> On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 10:57 AM, Babu Suseelan
> <babususeelan@hotmail.com>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> HINDU RASHTRA: THE ONLY WAY TO STOP THE PARTISAN POLITICS THAT IS
>> DESTRYING INDIA.
>>
>> Dr. BABU SUSEELAN
>>
>>
>>
>> Having spent most of my life abroad, and viewing and analyzing India from
>> a distance, I was confronted with the good, the bad and ugliness of
>> Indian
>> politics.
>>
>> DECALARE INDIA AS A HINDU RASHTRA. This is the only one cure for the
>> plague of cynicism, Islamic terrorism, and appeasement of Muslims,
>> internal
>> disturbances created by subversive agents, anti Indian attitude of the
>> media, political corruption, lack of economic progress, and crises
>> created
>> by regional, criminal politicians, and inefficiency and corruption in the
>> bureaucracy. Our enemies have injected so many thought viruses in Indian
>> political life. The only cure for the illness and the only way out of
>> the mess is to declare India as a Hindu Rashtra.
>>
>>
>>
>> From Kashmir to Kerala, the government is mismanaging the economy, public
>> funds are diverted to Muslims and Christians, and coercive religious
>> conversion is encouraged and supported. Instead of moving the country
>> forward, the central government controlled by the uneducated Italian
>> catholic lady Antonio Maino and many state governments (Except Gujarat)
>> work against the interests of the majority Hindus.
>>
>>
>>
>> The Media, instead of unmasking the hypocrisy of corrupt, criminal
>> politicians, subversive organizations, individuals who act as subversive
>> agents who create and deepen the crises in India, endorse and support the
>> patrician politics that divide the nation. For years, our media
>> contributed to the climate of corruption, subversive activities
>> polarizing
>> the nation, and helped to spread the contentious and dangerous messages
>> of
>> Muslims and anti national groups.
>>
>>
>>
>> The Media supports "politics of destruction". The print and TV media also
>> invite and promote corrupt, criminal politicians, subversive groups and
>> anti national, anti Hindu groups on the news and talk show programs for
>> the
>> simple reason that it brings applause from our enemies.
>>
>>
>>
>> HINDU RESHTRA: SLOGAN OR CHOICE?
>>
>>
>>
>> Naming India as a Hindu Reshtra will explode the conventional wisdom.
>> Hindus from Kashmir to Kerala have a role to play. If large enough
>> members
>> of Hindu community demand a Hindu Rashtra, India's criminal and corrupt
>> politicians have to heed to their demands. The Hindus have to challenge
>> criminal, anti India, anti Hindu politicians to do better and make them
>> do
>> better for Hindus and the Hindu Rashtra.
>>
>>
>>
>> To be honest, the crises Hindus face is now so deep and transformation
>> required is so fundamental that real change can sometime feel almost
>> impossible. How do we keep Hindus move with the slogan "HINDU RASHTRA"
>> into
>> a reality? We need to force Hindus into real freedom. Only free people
>> can move away from cynicism into optimism.
>>
>> When Theodor Herzl in late 1895 coined the term Der Jeden Staat (Jewish
>> State), he was ridiculed, insulted, and called him a delusional misfit.
>> Instead of all negative publicity, Theodor Herzl was successful in
>> creating
>> a Zionist movement which resulted in the birth of a Jewish state in 1948.
>> Herzl's slogans provided the settings at which Jewish politicians could
>> work hard to establish Israel, and the only Jewish state in the world.
>> Now
>> Jews around the world supports the Jewish state. Zionism support Jews
>> upholding their Jewish identity and opposes Jewish discrimination,
>> exclusion, and persecution around the world.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jewish people have been forced to wander around the world for more than
>> 2000 years. Without any Jewish state, Muslims and Christians, through a
>> combination of anti Jewish attitudes and measures have been
>> discriminating,
>> and even killing Jewish people. Now, a total of 15 million Jewish people
>> exist in the world. But they are a powerful force to be reckoned with.
>> With
>> 7.5 billion Islamic people with 71 Islamic nations could not wipe out
>> tiny
>> democratic, progressive peace loving and pluralist Israel. Israel is
>> committed to Cultural identity, commitment for pluralistic values, and
>> respect for freedom and positive outlook, economic progress and
>> democracy.
>>
>> These democratic values, freedom and progress are possible only with
>> Hindus declaring India as a Hindu Rashtra. Naming India as a Hindu
>> Rashtra
>> may generate both positive and negative comments and images and
>> expectations from friends and foes.
>>
>>
>>
>> Our own hope has been dramatically renewed by recent conference organized
>> by Hindu Janjagrathi at Goa. It seems Hindus are slowly waking up from
>> the
>> slumber by the miraculous work by Tapan Ghosh and Radheshyam Brahmachari
>> in
>> West Bengal, Hindu Aykavedi in Kerala, and Hindu Munnani in Tamilnadu and
>> Hindu organizations in different parts of India is working for a Hindu
>> Rashtra. More important, these Hindu movements offer a campaign plan.
>>
>>
>>
>> Intellectuals and prominent professional luminaries from different parts
>> of the world have written and expatiated the abstract concept, the
>> functional concept, strategies and action plan for a Hindu rastra. Tapan
>> Ghosh and Brahmachari (Calcutta), Dr. Bala Aiyer (Houston) Bhagavat Goel
>> (New Delhi) V. Sundaram (Chennai), Deivamuthu (Mumbai) Aryan Kstsris, and
>> Arish Sahani (New York) Dr. Subramaniya Swami (New Delhi) Swami Jyothi
>> (Bangalore) Dr. Togadia (New Delhi) Sarvarkar Vinayak (London) have
>> written
>> and advocated all Hindus to build around a set of creative ideas, to get
>> Hindus moving. Hindus can now say that Hindu Rashtra is not a slogan but
>> a
>> concrete reality. Whenever we feel stuck, paralyzed, intimidated, or
>> overwhelmed, whenever we feel helpless and hopeless, we need to
>> understand,
>> that our situation is never as static as it may appear to be. Hope
>> always involves that breaking open of new possibilities from seemingly
>> hopeless circumstances. We know too well the death and mayhem resulting
>> from nefarious activities of the bogus secular, criminal, corrupt anti
>> national, anti Hindu politicians. We know the destruction caused by
>> atheist, phony secularists who relentlessly work against Hindus and for
>> appeasing Muslims and our enemies. We have to include in our activities
>> and
>> in our deliberations ways to overcome the destruction caused by the anti
>> national political parties. We need to plant seeds of change in every
>> Hindu
>> who are indoctrinated and brainwashed to act like zombies for our
>> enemies.
>>
>>
>>
>> Unlike Islam, Marxism, and Christianity Hindu Dharma is a closed dogma
>> and
>> we do not have any sect or way of worship or one Messiah, or one prophet.
>> Hindus have different Panthas or ways of worship. We respect and approve
>> the Vedic system, Buddhist system, Jainism, Sikhism, Vaishnava, Shaiva,
>> Shakta, Ligayat, Arya Samaj, Brahma Samaj and these special ways reach
>> the
>> truth. Hindus respect and approve Bhakti Marga, Jnana Marga, and Karma
>> Marga according to one's intellectual and physical inclination, capacity
>> and nature. According to Dr. Radhakrishnan Hinduism is not a closed dogma
>> or sect but it is a great commonwealth who believe in Dharma and truth
>> who
>> seek Vasudeva Kudambakham.
>>
>> Hindus call our way of life as santhan Dharma. Hindu Dharma promotes
>> freedom, democracy, pluralism, and respect nature and wholeness of all
>> living and non- living entities. Our great Rishis have developed
>> different
>> thought system and means to achieve equanimity, patience, health,
>> forgiveness, control of mind, purity of thought and action, peace,
>> progress, development of the intellect, knowledge and transcendental
>> achievement.
>>
>>
>>
>> The concept of Rshtra is nothing new. It can be found in Rig Veda. From
>> ancient days to modern times, Hindu Rashtra was in existence. Eminent
>> personalities have again and again insisted that Bharat Bhumi is
>> punyaBhumi
>> and now the time has come that Hindus around the world must join together
>> and declare Bharat as a HINDU RASHTRE.
>>
>> Hindu Rashtra may polarize ant national, anti Hindu people. Social issues
>> may be created by our enemies. It is likely that these issues will come
>> before Hindus. These issues only add fuel to an already explosive climate
>> created by our distracters. Hindus must face it, confront it and resolve
>> social issues that may be created by ant Hindu forces. Hindus have to
>> work
>> together for a change. Hindus have too many enemies who want to destroy
>> us
>> from within and without. Hindus should not be reluctant to take the first
>> step to declare Bharat as a Hindu Rashtra. Does anyone believe that it is
>> not a good thing?
>>
>>
>>
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