Re: [rti4empowerment] MIDDLE CLASS CITIZENS BEING SHUNTED OUT

If there is a will there is a way. Tehsildar should provide a certificate after verification  by sending inspecting functionaries who should be well trained in assessment. A bond of certainty of declaration should be signed  with heavy penalty including jail term for delarer if found false.

 

My suggestion is  not by bias. The Caste system is misinterpreted. Scriptures say "JANMENA JAAYATE SHUDRASAHA; SAMSKAARAANAM DWIJA MUCHCHAYATE" Meaning scheduled castes are not born but, by the ettiquettes & mannerisms the distinction is made.

 

Secondly,

 

"CHAATURVARNAM MAAYAA SHRASTHA, GUNA KARMA VIBHAGASHAHA"

 

MEANING ON THE BASIS ON PROFESSION 4 CASTES WERE CREATED. CHANGE OF PROFESSION CHANGED CASTE. IT WAS NOT REGIMENTED. SON OF SHUDRA  NEED NOT BE SHUDRA. Even brahmins were those who performed Shatkarma i.e. Adhyana, Adhyaapana, Yajna, Yaajana, Daana & Prateegraha. Anuyone who did so was a Brahmin.

 

The mention of caste in any application form makes this baneful caste system permanent. For rational economic upliftment, income based reservation is ideal.

 

No offence is intended to anyone.

 

WEDS

From: Trivendra <trivendra54@yahoo.co.in>
To: "rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com" <rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, 14 February 2012, 16:23
Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] MIDDLE CLASS CITIZENS BEING SHUNTED OUT

Sir,

If Reservation is made on income basis, then you will raise question on fake income certificates issued by Govt. offices. is'nt it?

To make mockery of the system, the income tax certificates are issued by the official named Tehsildar who actually do not hold record of total income of rural or urban area either. So what next.

Regards

Trivendra

From: Satish Kumar Kapoor <kapoorsatish@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, 14 February 2012 9:53 AM
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I am against reservation on cast and creed.

For lifting the so called lower class there are other means, like free education, free coaching, scholarships etc, there is no reservation for upper cast, you are badly mistaken. 

You know most jobs in Govt Sector are filled by unfair means in which again creamy layer is benefited. Low middle class ( people who do not come under BPL, due to income limit of Govt) are most sufferer.

If reservation is based on income, instead of cast and creed, it will be more beneficial for nation.

S.K.Kapoor

From: haridas mandal <acsman123@yahoo.co.in>
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Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 11:28 PM
Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] MIDDLE CLASS CITIZENS BEING SHUNTED OUT

Is there a middle caste you mean to say? 50.5 percent of the posts in all govt institution and almost cent percent reservation in private institution for the upper castes isn't enough you say? If you are loosing to more meritorious general castes from that 50.5 percent why don't you ask for debarring creamy layers from the general castes.? The upper castes Brahmins have their Pona pandit, pujari, sankaracharyas, Acharyas , internation president of VHP etc etc reserved for them. If you are neither Brahmins nor Thakurs you better go for the middle clause asking for exclusion of the creamy layers from the 50.5 % of the reservation ensured by the supreme court of India.

From: Satish Kumar Kapoor <kapoorsatish@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Monday, 13 February 2012 5:27 PM
Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] MIDDLE CLASS CITIZENS BEING SHUNTED OUT

Dear All

We, middle class persons are responsible for our faith, we want others to fight for us and do nothing, only complain that we are suffering.

Lower class gets reservation, rich buy seats/jobs with huge black money, middle class suffer, But never unite to fight against " vote bank politics"

S.K.Kapoor

From: DSouza Wilberious Evanglist <wilevades@yahoo.co.uk>
To: "rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com" <rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] MIDDLE CLASS CITIZENS BEING SHUNTED OUT

Rangarjan,

 

While stating Quote

If only Anna's movement was not nipped in the bud by extremely clever P M Manmohan Singh -  before it would have snowballed into a revolution as happend in the middle east - the entire corrupt would have been wiped out. Unquote

 

you appear to have had high hopes on Anna Hazare' movement.

 

If you had analysed rightly; Anna & his team had dugb their own grave!

 

What Anna desired , all of us could have done collectively & coordinatedly.

Alas! we were fools!

 

WEDS

From: Mathre Rangarajan <rangajan@yahoo.com>
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Cc: leslie almeida <leslie_almeida@rediffmail.com>
Sent: Monday, 13 February 2012, 13:02
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Well said Mr Almeida - you have rightly placed it in proper propective - Insted debating on General's date of birth - we must debate on this crucial matter - I see no solution is the horizen - If only Anna's movement was not nipped in the bud by extremely clever P M Manmohan Singh -  before it would have snowballed into a revolution as happend in the middle east - the entire corrupt would have been wiped out - I don't see any hope of revival that movement now - Let us hope some revelution happens in near future - revolution is only hope      From: leslie almeida <leslie_almeida@rediffmail.com>
To: lesals@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, 13 February 2012 11:01 AM
Subject: [rti4empowerment] MIDDLE CLASS CITIZENS BEING SHUNTED OUT

We the middle class citizens have no papa mama, by having reservation for ST/ST CASTE SYSTEM ETC. The mass middle class citizens do not get admission to colleges even if they get over 80 percent marks , however by reservations, an ST/ST with 40 percent. marks gets admission into a good college, cannot grasp studies and drop out, thus the seat being sold by management. thus there is heavy mental pressure on a middle class student, resulting in frustration and suicide , now even at elections by having many wards for reservation class , good middle class citizen do not get a chance to stand in his/her ward, even middle class good Corporators, Who have good track records have been shunted out. Do we have equality in our country, is this what we call democratic country. Jobs In government sector reservation exist, Thank God there is no reservation in Jobs at private sector were they go on merit, and thats why one can see a vast difference in performance in public sector and govt sector, be it banks, etc. when I do not have a choice who am I to vote for ??? my kamwali bhai told me she has got a ticket to contest elections, vat lag gaya, she was a good kamvali bhai however can she deliver by good governess if elected or will she be a puppet on a string. GOD SAVE OUR COUNTRY FROM GOING BESERK.