Friends,let us not believe that this or that party is in favour of Jan Lokpal Bill. Most of the politicians are corrupt,then who the hell will accept our bill.We will never get our majority. We only have to compromise with what best could be achieved/available. Not a single party will whole heartedly/openly support the CAUSE.( Apne pair par kuladhi kaun marega).
Pray for Annas recovery and stop using this pure soul.
Appoligies if I ve hurt anyone.
Rgds
Bunch-RTI Activist
From: Dinesh Verma <dcverma06@gmail.com>
To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, 1 January 2012 7:11 PM
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] RE: Not a flop show: Anna Hazare' s fast is over but people's fight is on
No doubt fight is against corruption .Unless there is an independent agency to investigate t
the people would loose faith.Heavyweight & powerful persons play their roles as happened in Haryana & Punjab. Constituitional status would give stability to the Lok Pal instituition.
the people would loose faith.Heavyweight & powerful persons play their roles as happened in Haryana & Punjab. Constituitional status would give stability to the Lok Pal instituition.
Anna Hazares fast has done its job to a great extent.At least the Bill has been passed through Lok Sabha after about 40 years.
D.C.V.
On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 10:03 PM, <jasvir70@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear col dharma. Very well said. And a very happy new year to u
Regards
Jasvir.
From: krantikumar dharmadhikary <krdharma@yahoo.co.in>Sender: humjanenge@googlegroups.comDate: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 17:30:56 +0530 (IST)ReplyTo: humjanenge@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: [HumJanenge] RE: Not a flop show: Anna Hazare' s fast is over but people's fight is on
Dear Friends, The fight should be against corruption and not for or against lokpal.There are enough of laws,it is the implementation and obeying/following is lackingLet us start fighting "Individually" ,obeying/following personally.Do not wait for any one.HAPPY NEW YEAR 2012Col Dharma
--- On Fri, 30/12/11, Prem Gaba <premgaba@hotmail.com> wrote:
From: Prem Gaba <premgaba@hotmail.com>
Subject: [HumJanenge] RE: Not a flop show: Anna Hazare's fast is over but people's fight is on
To: ashishm@governancenow.com, "Humjanenge" <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>
Date: Friday, 30 December, 2011, 1:28 PM
Dear Mr Ashish Mehta,
Thank you for this excellent article below. Its not only interesting but very much relvent to the debate going on in the country. I am sure majority of the readers will agree with you.
Last night Bill was not passed in RS. Most of the Parties were saying that its toothless. Now whether they were sincere or saying for the sake of voters' consumption is any body's guess. Because there were leaders who were dead against Annas protest & his demands since April & suddenly started saying that its a weak bill. Then there are people who say that netas are NOT responsible for this mass corruption at every step. As I said in my earlier mail also that if this class is taimed, rest will automatically fall in line.
There is an opinion & I respect every opinion whether one agrees or not, that if the salaries of the Govt servants/Police are increased they will not be corrupt.
If that be so then why do we have a large no of senior bureaucrats in Govt, Judiciary & Police Officers who are well paid with liberal perks, enjoy high status & are still corrupt !! . Morality,values & honesty has to come from within or it must be forced with strict laws. There has to be a sense of fear in those who are out to make quick money by dishonest means.Yes compulsory Army service will inculcate discipline & honesty to a degree . Mr E Sreedharan, also called Metroman (who retires today at 76 !!, has shown what honesty & sincerity can do for the nation.
Regards
Prem Gaba
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Not a flop show: Anna Hazare's fast is over but people's fight is on
Movement has taken the roots of democracy deeper
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Cynicism is like love. It means never having to say you're sorry. Sooner or later, reality proves your predictions right in nine out of ten cases. Those who predicted little will come out the anti-corruption campaign can give a smug smile now. Those who predicted Anna will lose steam have got their I-told-you-so moment.
The Lokpal bill has cleared the first hurdle, but the second one looks tougher. Even if the bill is passed, what we will get will be a toothless tiger, not different from the central vigilance commission (CVC), only worse in that it will add to the multiplicity of agencies supposedly at work to punish the corrupt. Nothing will change.
Cynics have had a grand time in 2011, and guaranteed to have more in the years to come.
But if you are not a cynic, if you belong to a sub-species, Homo optimisticus – you know, the type who looks at a maidan and says it is half full – then there is little to feel sorry about it. "Anna's Flop Show" (as one headline put it) is just an occasional dip, but look at the other side.
At the beginning of 2011, the Commonwealth Games had continued to make headlines, more details were coming out on the 2G scandal, the Adarsh housing society scam was about to unfold afresh. But all the shenanigans were smirking.
A group of concerned citizens, the activist-intellectual types, carried out a rally from the Rajghat to the Ramlila Maidan on the occasion of January 30, demanding some action on corruption front. No traffic diversions were needed, the rally was so thin. A couple of months later the redoubtable Baba Ramdev also had a do at the Ramlila Grounds, and passengers in the buses looked at the modest gathering and gave a yawn.
Cynics were surely having an upper hand. Corruption is worth fighting against, and if somebody else is fighting the fight, so much the better.
Thus, it was no surprise that on April 5, newspapers devoted a single-column item to a social activist's proposed protest at the Jantar Mantar. Little did they know they were going to be forced to devote many more columns to the man little known outside western India.
Read the full coverage since April 5, news, views and more. Click here.
It has been about nine months, a decent gestation period, and what has been achieved to counter cynics?
• People like Aatar Singh, a 64-year-old farmer, have realized that they actually have a voice in democracy. (This village pradhan went all the way from Rohtak to Mumbai to participate in the latest round of Anna's protest fast. You can see his photograph above.) Professors and policemen, housewives and havildars, geeks and garbage collectors, they all have kept fast or given time to show solidarity. Nobody had counted on the youngsters to take up a cause like this. Instead of silly jokes, they started forwarding in emails suggestions to fight graft. [Read more about Anna's curious connect with the youth here]
If you ask cynics, this was not supposed to happen.
• The UPA government has been embarrassed, that early 2011 smirk is gone. There is no longer any comfort in the hope that corruption (and the deeper malaise of which it is a symptom – misgovernance) is a non-issue and the usual identity politics of caste and religion will deliver them victory in 2014.
• The Lokpal, toothless or not, is getting off the ground. Unlike CVC which few people other than bureaucrats and journalists had heard of when it came up, folks like Aatar Singh will be watching the Lokpal (if and when it comes up).
• Above all, a foundation or a platform has been prepared once again, a way has been shown once again, for taking the roots of our democracy deeper. Hissar, for all its debates of politicisation, was the only logical way for a civil society movement to make inroads into the vote-centric democracy.
We are sure the movement so far has more achievements (please write them in the comment box below if you have any other points in mind), but the point is: In 2011 a man (or his team, or the people who responded to him) have shown there is a way.
Which incidentally is the headline of our cover story for the next issue, which will hit the stands on January 1. Don't forget to pick it up, there's much more there.
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 18:48:39 +0530
Subject: Not a flop show: Anna Hazare's fast is over but people's fight is on
From: ashishm@governancenow.com
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Dear sir/s,
You may find this interesting and possibly relevant to your debate.
With thanks and regards,
ashish
Not a flop show: Anna Hazare's fast is over but people's fight is on
Movement has taken the roots of democracy deeper
http://governancenow.com/news/regular-story/not-flop-show-anna-hazare-s-fast-over-peoples-fight
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