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Re: [IAC#RG] re Clause 4.001
Please do not get diverted by too many extraneous visible symptoms of implementing democracy. All evils mentioned by you originated because of need of corrupt to grab power against public interest. If corrupt find it useless to seek govt power, then these evils naturally vanish!
Rajaram Bojji FIE., FNAE
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On Dec 31, 2012 11:20 PM, "Sarbajit Roy" <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Murgie
Before I address the crux of your query, I need to know if you agree/disagree/semi-agree on the following historical premise - specifically in the Indian context with Indian data (not in idealised Western democracies)
Parliamentary_democracy+Caste_based_reservations+Political parties resulted in the following
a) Suppression of "merit"
b) Promotion of mediocrity and/or misrule
c) Led to concentration of wealth and power in the hands of a few.
You will note I've left out "1 man 1 vote" for the moment, and the "+" corresponds to Boolean AND.
PS: I'm not responding to your last para. My in-house experts advise me that S:(S+N) is a sub-optimal indicator for information efficiency.
SarbajitOn Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 8:26 PM, Murgie Krishnan <murgie@gmail.com> wrote:"4.001: Empowered Citizenry
The IAC movement stands for the primacy of empowered citizens in a functioning democracy.
The IAC affirms its belief in universal suffrage and comprehensively rejects the flawed notions of "Parliamentary democracy", "1 man 1 vote",
"political parties", "caste based reservations", and other divisive forms of oppression which suppress merit, promote mediocrity and misrule, and lead
to concentration of wealth and power in the hands of a few."
I would agree that our parliamentary democracy has had flaws, but wonder how many takers there are for the notion of junking it without knowing what the alternative will be. Repairing a flawed system is one thing, simply abandoning it is quite another.
Similarly, like many others I have also been disappointed with the 1-man-1-vote election system, but there is only a particular alternative that I favour if 1-man-1-vote is to be junked -- an approval voting system which allows a voter to choose whether to approve any (see http://bcn.boulder.co.us/government/approvalvote/center.html for more details collected in one convenient location). That gives each voter a binary choice with respect to each candidate, allows "none of the above" as a possibility, and potentially encourages candidates to campaign in a way that reduces polarization. It will also be easily implementable given our electronic voting machines, with a software change.
The current language in 4.001 seems ill-advised. Language like this will make one wonder at least about the general maturity of the folks behind this Charter.
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[IAC#RG] उम्मीदों के दीये जले
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फिर भी उम्मीदों के दीये जले,
व्यक्ति, समाज और व्यवस्था में,
पवित्र संस्कारों को प्रवेश मिले,
मिल दुआ करें हम हे परमेश्वर,
हर भारतवासी बढ़े, फुले - फले.
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Om.Onkar. Allâh.God…..
Jai Hind! Jai Jagat (Universe)!
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Re: [IAC#RG] Sex on wheels
Greetings. Please do read www.moneylife.in and search foe insurance. You will get 15 cover stories that expose misselling in every aspect of insurance. Then chk www.mlfoundation.in and look for our activities and position papers on insurance, ponzi schemes etc. Finally tell us how you plan to be part of the effort. Regards and best wishes for the new year! Sucheta
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Re: [IAC#RG] re Clause 4.001
This is becoming a pointless exercise. Yes, ALL democracies in the world are extremely imperfect, and in need of improvement. If sites like this are not to degenerate into showboating, it will help to try and restrain empty rhetoric.
I don't know how my email-ID got onto this site's list. Please help me unsubscribe. Thank you.On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 12:30 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Murgie
Before I address the crux of your query, I need to know if you agree/disagree/semi-agree on the following historical premise - specifically in the Indian context with Indian data (not in idealised Western democracies)
Parliamentary_democracy+Caste_based_reservations+Political parties resulted in the following
a) Suppression of "merit"
b) Promotion of mediocrity and/or misrule
c) Led to concentration of wealth and power in the hands of a few.
You will note I've left out "1 man 1 vote" for the moment, and the "+" corresponds to Boolean AND.
PS: I'm not responding to your last para. My in-house experts advise me that S:(S+N) is a sub-optimal indicator for information efficiency.
SarbajitOn Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 8:26 PM, Murgie Krishnan <murgie@gmail.com> wrote:
"4.001: Empowered Citizenry
The IAC movement stands for the primacy of empowered citizens in a functioning democracy.
The IAC affirms its belief in universal suffrage and comprehensively rejects the flawed notions of "Parliamentary democracy", "1 man 1 vote",
"political parties", "caste based reservations", and other divisive forms of oppression which suppress merit, promote mediocrity and misrule, and lead
to concentration of wealth and power in the hands of a few."
I would agree that our parliamentary democracy has had flaws, but wonder how many takers there are for the notion of junking it without knowing what the alternative will be. Repairing a flawed system is one thing, simply abandoning it is quite another.
Similarly, like many others I have also been disappointed with the 1-man-1-vote election system, but there is only a particular alternative that I favour if 1-man-1-vote is to be junked -- an approval voting system which allows a voter to choose whether to approve any (see http://bcn.boulder.co.us/government/approvalvote/center.html for more details collected in one convenient location). That gives each voter a binary choice with respect to each candidate, allows "none of the above" as a possibility, and potentially encourages candidates to campaign in a way that reduces polarization. It will also be easily implementable given our electronic voting machines, with a software change.
The current language in 4.001 seems ill-advised. Language like this will make one wonder at least about the general maturity of the folks behind this Charter.
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Re: [IAC#RG] re Clause 4.001
Dear Murgie
Before I address the crux of your query, I need to know if you agree/disagree/semi-agree on the following historical premise - specifically in the Indian context with Indian data (not in idealised Western democracies)
Parliamentary_democracy+Caste_based_reservations+Political parties resulted in the following
a) Suppression of "merit"
b) Promotion of mediocrity and/or misrule
c) Led to concentration of wealth and power in the hands of a few.
You will note I've left out "1 man 1 vote" for the moment, and the "+" corresponds to Boolean AND.
PS: I'm not responding to your last para. My in-house experts advise me that S:(S+N) is a sub-optimal indicator for information efficiency.
Sarbajit
Before I address the crux of your query, I need to know if you agree/disagree/semi-agree on the following historical premise - specifically in the Indian context with Indian data (not in idealised Western democracies)
Parliamentary_democracy+Caste_based_reservations+Political parties resulted in the following
a) Suppression of "merit"
b) Promotion of mediocrity and/or misrule
c) Led to concentration of wealth and power in the hands of a few.
You will note I've left out "1 man 1 vote" for the moment, and the "+" corresponds to Boolean AND.
PS: I'm not responding to your last para. My in-house experts advise me that S:(S+N) is a sub-optimal indicator for information efficiency.
Sarbajit
On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 8:26 PM, Murgie Krishnan <murgie@gmail.com> wrote:
"4.001: Empowered Citizenry
The IAC movement stands for the primacy of empowered citizens in a functioning democracy.
The IAC affirms its belief in universal suffrage and comprehensively rejects the flawed notions of "Parliamentary democracy", "1 man 1 vote",
"political parties", "caste based reservations", and other divisive forms of oppression which suppress merit, promote mediocrity and misrule, and lead
to concentration of wealth and power in the hands of a few."
I would agree that our parliamentary democracy has had flaws, but wonder how many takers there are for the notion of junking it without knowing what the alternative will be. Repairing a flawed system is one thing, simply abandoning it is quite another.
Similarly, like many others I have also been disappointed with the 1-man-1-vote election system, but there is only a particular alternative that I favour if 1-man-1-vote is to be junked -- an approval voting system which allows a voter to choose whether to approve any (see http://bcn.boulder.co.us/government/approvalvote/center.html for more details collected in one convenient location). That gives each voter a binary choice with respect to each candidate, allows "none of the above" as a possibility, and potentially encourages candidates to campaign in a way that reduces polarization. It will also be easily implementable given our electronic voting machines, with a software change.
The current language in 4.001 seems ill-advised. Language like this will make one wonder at least about the general maturity of the folks behind this Charter.
Re: [IAC#RG] Charter of the IAC
Hi,
The "Charter" is well written / compiled.
The word, 'Charter' usually has any of the following meanings.
- a document issued by some authority, creating a public or private institution, and defining its purposes and privileges
- a similar document conferring rights and privileges on a person, corporation etc
- a contract for the commercial leasing of a vessel, or space on a vessel
- the temporary hiring or leasing of a vehicle
- a deed
IAC's charter does not seem to fall in any of these categories.
I wonder how the charter would be implemented or achieved.
What are the plans of the IAC leadership for this?
I run a campaign against UID, which in my view, compromises National Security, by involving foreign companies with links to intelligence agencies.
Since national security is a priority of IAC, as given in the "Charter", what is IAC's stand on UID?
Regards,
Mathew
On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Vijay Kumar Sappatti <vksappatti@gmail.com> wrote:
I appreciate and congratulate the members.regardsvijay kuamarOn Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
31 December, 2012
Dear subscribers,
IAC is pleased to inform its members and friends that we finally have a Charter document.
Our Charter is attached as a .PDF file and comes into force from tomorrow 1st.January 2013
The Charter is a dynamic document, the latest version can be downloaded from IAC Charter
Sarbajit
National Convenor
India Against Corruption
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Re: [IAC#RG] Charter of the IAC
| DEAR ALL IACIANS, IN THE NEW YEAR JUST DAWNING, LET ALL THE IACIANS TAKE A SOLEMN OATH TO WORK UNITEDLY TO ROOT OUT CORRUPTION IN THE COUNTRY. LET ALL THE LIKE MINDED CITIZENS JOIN TOGETHER AND WORK ON SINGLE GOAL "CORRUPTION BE HATAO" ALL THE PATRIOTIC, SINCERE, COMMITTED & HONEST CITIZENS YOUNG OR OLD, SHOULD JOIN TOGETHER AND TAKE THIS PLEDGE 'CORRUPTION BE HATAO' CAMPAIGN TO USHERING IN A NEW ERA OF CORRUPTION FREE INDIA. A SMOOTH TRANSITION OF OUR SYSTEM SHOULD TAKE PLACE SILENTLY. PATRIOTIC, SINCERE, COMMITTED AND HONEST AND HARD WORKING MISSIONARY LIKE DEALERS SHOULD EMERGE FROM NOOK AND CORNER OF THE COUNTRY TO LEAD THE NATION FREE OF CORRUPTION. MASS LEADERS OF THE ABOVE HIGH QUALITIES ARE THE NEED OF THE HOUR. WE PRAY TO BHARATH MATHA TO USHER IN A NEW ERA OF FREE OF CORRUPTION IN THE COUNTRY. With Best Regards, A.S.KALYANAM --- On Mon, 31/12/12, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
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Re: [IAC#RG] re Clause 4.001
"4.001: Empowered Citizenry
The IAC movement stands for the primacy of empowered citizens in a functioning democracy.
The IAC affirms its belief in universal suffrage and comprehensively rejects the flawed notions of "Parliamentary democracy", "1 man 1 vote",
"political parties", "caste based reservations", and other divisive forms of oppression which suppress merit, promote mediocrity and misrule, and lead
to concentration of wealth and power in the hands of a few."
The IAC movement stands for the primacy of empowered citizens in a functioning democracy.
The IAC affirms its belief in universal suffrage and comprehensively rejects the flawed notions of "Parliamentary democracy", "1 man 1 vote",
"political parties", "caste based reservations", and other divisive forms of oppression which suppress merit, promote mediocrity and misrule, and lead
to concentration of wealth and power in the hands of a few."
I would agree that our parliamentary democracy has had flaws, but wonder how many takers there are for the notion of junking it without knowing what the alternative will be. Repairing a flawed system is one thing, simply abandoning it is quite another.
Similarly, like many others I have also been disappointed with the 1-man-1-vote election system, but there is only a particular alternative that I favour if 1-man-1-vote is to be junked -- an approval voting system which allows a voter to choose whether to approve any (see http://bcn.boulder.co.us/government/approvalvote/center.html for more details collected in one convenient location). That gives each voter a binary choice with respect to each candidate, allows "none of the above" as a possibility, and potentially encourages candidates to campaign in a way that reduces polarization. It will also be easily implementable given our electronic voting machines, with a software change.
Similarly, like many others I have also been disappointed with the 1-man-1-vote election system, but there is only a particular alternative that I favour if 1-man-1-vote is to be junked -- an approval voting system which allows a voter to choose whether to approve any (see http://bcn.boulder.co.us/government/approvalvote/center.html for more details collected in one convenient location). That gives each voter a binary choice with respect to each candidate, allows "none of the above" as a possibility, and potentially encourages candidates to campaign in a way that reduces polarization. It will also be easily implementable given our electronic voting machines, with a software change.
The current language in 4.001 seems ill-advised. Language like this will make one wonder at least about the general maturity of the folks behind this Charter.
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Re: [IAC#RG] Sex on wheels
HUGE part of the problem - What happened on that bus was NOT Sex, it was RAPE. That is what this outrage is about.
Agree with email quoted. Such attitudes must be discarded and value of consent must reflect in how we see things.
Vidyut
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On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 1:25 PM, patralekha Chatterjee <patralekha.chatterjee@gmail.com> wrote:
I am sorry to have to point this out. But I find the tagline " sex on the wheels" insensitive. Surely, there is a way to reword the tagline of the messages you are sending out on this subject.
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RE: [IAC#RG] [media_monitor5] Re: Sex on wheels
Well, I don't think Delhi media carried this gibberish. The tragedy should not be talked about loosely and there should not be any such nonsense about status of a victim. This woman did this in Gujarat also.
For what it is worth, this was an ordinary girl whose father had a humble job and sold his village land to educate her because she was bright and hard working. She was engaged to a good boy of more or less equal status [no details because of confidentiality issues] and they were soon to marry – possibly soon after she completed her exams and got her degree plus job. They went to a 6-9 pm movie and were returning in a bus when the whole thing happened.
I do hope you agree that religion, race, caste, wealth can have no bearing on the crime.
Arundhati if she did say this – what can I say. It is criminally irresponsible and may be that is why the Delhi media gave her the bargepole treatment. Anyone reporting such a thing in Delhi in the current atmosphere, well I don't want to think about it
Sandhya
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Subject: RE: [IAC#RG] [media_monitor5] Re: Sex on wheels
sandhya, i read in regional newspapers that our prima donna arundhathi roy has done her bit of attention grabbing by saying that this was an instance of a rich girl being raped by a group of poor boys, and hence the media overdrive. if there is any truth in it she needs to see a doctor/phsychiatrist. that woman has really gone berserk. but i am holding my verdict until it's validated. can anyone help? Bala (Balachandran)
3] Since family from UP, some officers offered to take them to Varanasi – Kashi is anyway the more prestigious place for the final departure – but government said let family decide and their wishes were followed. So stop your LIES OK. 4] Medical disagreement is neither here nor there at this stage. 5] Public had NO right to gather anywhere – it is not a public tamasha – and the people of Delhi knew all this would happen the previous day itself because the media was informed and told us, and respected the privacy [TV journalists did, print media did go to Ballia and give information from there, which was not necessary at all]. 6] There was nothing sinister about anything the Govt did so please do shut up, and Ballia is in UP not Bihar, and nowhere in the world are bodies paraded from city to city for kith and kin, OK 7] Parents do NOT want to meet the media. If and when they do, they will do so themselves and don't need American citizens to shout for them. 8] Indian law makes disclosure of rape victim names illegal, the fake names are media gibberish [too smart]. 9] Now that victim is dead, you may get the joy of knowing her real name. Why don't you wait for events to unravel themselves? And why don't you get hyperactive about rapes in America, school shootouts, gun law etc. After all, you live there, not here Sandhya From: media_monitor5@yahoogroups.com [mailto:media_monitor5@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of S kumar 1. The body reached Delhi airport at 3.30 AM and aircraft taken to a remote location. SOnia Gandhi and Manmohan Singh reached, conveyed condolences and the body was taken to the house of the deceased with her parents and brother present, as per media report. 2.Apparently the body reached home at 4.30AM and the Home Secretary alongwith MOS Home were already present to take the body and cremate it secretly before dawn, contrary to the earlier assurance to the family that it would be flown to Varnasi and by road to Ballia where her relatives could pay last respects and cremated at the village, she was born. 3. But the team led by Home Secretary forcibly took the body to Delhi Crematorium, the mother fainted and the brother objected with the wailing helpless father nearby, all ignored by the Govt. and the body was cremated at 7.30AM before Delhi woke up in the winter fog. 4. Some Doctors as well as the parents/brother, were in disagreement of shifting her to Singapore, her already suffering two cardiac arrests and half dead condition. But Group of Ministers decided to shift her so that mass agitations could be avoided if she died in Delhi. The cremation was also carried out post-haste before the public could know the body has arrived and try to gather there!! All these show the sinister inhumane actions of the Govt. in not respecting the family's duty and wishes to show her body to their kith and kin back in Ballia village in Bihar and to cremate her there. Shockingly, the brother or parents were never allowed to meet the media nor the girl's name revealed with fake names circulating and it was Singapore hospital which released the name sa Jyoti from Ballia, Bihar. From: Sucheta Dalal <sucheta@moneylife.in> Hi... dont understand why you wanted her airlifted out of india when she was already sinking or probably brain dead already? Am a little confused. Also understand that her family wnats to talk, so why should she remain faceless and nameless, if the family is ready to go public. Like keenan santos she should be a known symbol of courage and revolution - if her family is okay with it. I hear that her family is being pressured by the government to keep quiet. I dont understand why her funeral had to be hush-hush and quiet -- why not a hero's funeral for her? Would like to hear from you. Sucheta Dalal Managing Editor
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Re: [IAC#RG] PRESS RELEASE. Death of Delhi's innocent gangrape victim.
Dear Mr. Kumaran,
Though your suggestion of boycotting Republic Day would seem too harsh, but in the circumstances is the appropriate response.
There seems to be no real democracy, no freedom for the vast majority of citizens, and worse no republic in the real sense. The politician and the babu decide what is good for strengthening crony capitalistism - you and me do not count. The powers of the states are being usurped in several ways by the Centre, so why celebrate what is not? We as a society stand shamed, what is there to rejoice? The defence services are downgraded, what is there to show off? Our public conduct has crossed all limits of decent acceptable limits, what culture or heritage do we claim and what do we want to celebrate?
The befitting alternative to Republic Day celebrations and Independence Day celebrations in all state capitals and district HQ across the country would be to erect a symbol in a public place in memory of the young Indian woman who galvanised the youth of entire nation to seek a change from the current unresponsive, insensitive system and take a pledge, year after year with a resolve to be the change that we want to see.
Major Kapur
Though your suggestion of boycotting Republic Day would seem too harsh, but in the circumstances is the appropriate response.
There seems to be no real democracy, no freedom for the vast majority of citizens, and worse no republic in the real sense. The politician and the babu decide what is good for strengthening crony capitalistism - you and me do not count. The powers of the states are being usurped in several ways by the Centre, so why celebrate what is not? We as a society stand shamed, what is there to rejoice? The defence services are downgraded, what is there to show off? Our public conduct has crossed all limits of decent acceptable limits, what culture or heritage do we claim and what do we want to celebrate?
The befitting alternative to Republic Day celebrations and Independence Day celebrations in all state capitals and district HQ across the country would be to erect a symbol in a public place in memory of the young Indian woman who galvanised the youth of entire nation to seek a change from the current unresponsive, insensitive system and take a pledge, year after year with a resolve to be the change that we want to see.
Major Kapur
On 31 December 2012 11:21, PA Kumaran <pakumaran@gmail.com> wrote:
Sir,
The govt is silently watching the powerful peace protest. It is hoping that, it will die down from today, being a working day. This is a wishful thinking. The govt is likely to plant some miscreants to break peace and blame it on peaceful protestors. It is now that we all should act and continue to exert pressure, so that the momentum is not lost.
We should also consider boycotting the "Republic Day" celebrations.
KumaranOn Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 3:42 PM, Mohammed Ghani <mdghani33@yahoo.com> wrote:
we share your feelings and pray for the departed soul to rest in peacemdghani
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Subject: [IAC#RG] PRESS RELEASE. Death of Delhi's innocent gangrape victim.
To all media
Sub: PRESS RELEASE Death of Delhi's innocent gangrape victim.
India Against Corruption regrets the unnecessary loss of live of another innocent female victim in Delhi by a gruesome crime against humanity.
The wishes and sympathies of IAC's entire community goes out to her family members in their time of grief.
IAC is concerned that the competent authority - Lt. Governor of Delhi was allegedly vacationing abroad when the incident occurred and his rudderless office could not respond to IAC's communications during the crisis as required under the Right to Information Act 2005.
IAC is concerned that Chief Minister of Delhi, Smt Shiela Dikshit seemingly behaved in a partisan and selfish manner and allegedly interfered with the investigation of the crime and medical treatment of the victim for her own political purposes.
IAC is concerned that the office of the Transport Commissioner of GoNCTD Delhi is an Authority steeped in corruption which facilitated the death of this innocent victim.
IAC resolves to carry this incident forward to ensure that measures are taken to prevent such incidents in future.
for India Against Corruption
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Re: [IAC#RG] Murder of a young girl in Delhi (was sexonwheels)
P.S. let me add when england was going through a bad phase
after King Richard. they prayed and then came Queen Elizabeth and a better phase.
Prayers from a nation will be answered.
SO DO PRAY. WE ARE MILLIONS THE UNIVERSE WILL RESPOND
AND THE DELIVERER WILL COME.
On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 7:05 PM, madhu bhatia <bhatiamadhu@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Sir,this incident with others, is just an accumulation.in time the bubble will burst and a new era has to open up.the time for bad politicians that can be seen will end soon.someone somewhere will be God sent.It will happen.Regards & Pray for a better Future in this country.I think the power of prayer is greatLeast we all can do is Pray.Action where possible.Madhu BhatiaOn Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 6:25 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
Post: "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net"Dear Nidhi
I think you know me well enough and long enough to know that we would
never stoop to such levels.
This is a typical example of Indians expecting that "somebody else"
(preferably in authority) will solve their problems if they complain.
All anyone had to do was to open their email program/browser click
"Edit subject" and change it to whatever they wanted.
Well I've just done so (as usual). Everyone please reply on this
subject.
Ciao
PS: To the member who wanted "child rights/protection , juvenile
justice etc in the Charter). We'd already had a discussion on this and
its MOST DEFINITELY in IAC's "to do" list but we didn't want to get
into detailing all the issues at this time. BTW: We have nothing
specific on women's rights either in the Charter. That must wait till
we start forming our local groups and special committees.
Sarbajit
On 12/31/12, Nidhi Sharma <nidhi2479@gmail.com> wrote:
> why on earth is the subject line "sex on wheels". its almost derogatory to
> the issue. seriously. is ths your way of attracting more slimy readers?
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Re: [IAC#RG] Murder of a young girl in Delhi (was sexonwheels)
I entirely agree with NIdhi, that was a horrible, insensitive tagline. Please rape is not about sex, it is about exercising power over women at the basest level. It is the worst expression of machismo possible. Pornography feeds into this process of demeaning women and turning them into sexual slaves and has to be fought too. It is time people understood this,
Sujata Madhok
On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 6:25 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Nidhi
I think you know me well enough and long enough to know that we would
never stoop to such levels.
This is a typical example of Indians expecting that "somebody else"
(preferably in authority) will solve their problems if they complain.
All anyone had to do was to open their email program/browser click
"Edit subject" and change it to whatever they wanted.
Well I've just done so (as usual). Everyone please reply on this
subject.
Ciao
PS: To the member who wanted "child rights/protection , juvenile
justice etc in the Charter). We'd already had a discussion on this and
its MOST DEFINITELY in IAC's "to do" list but we didn't want to get
into detailing all the issues at this time. BTW: We have nothing
specific on women's rights either in the Charter. That must wait till
we start forming our local groups and special committees.
Sarbajit
On 12/31/12, Nidhi Sharma <nidhi2479@gmail.com> wrote:
> why on earth is the subject line "sex on wheels". its almost derogatory to
> the issue. seriously. is ths your way of attracting more slimy readers?
>
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Re: [IAC#RG] Charter of the IAC
I object to 4.003 God -
I don't think that having a position on God is relevant to the IAC mission.
Can you elaborate on why it is there ?
I agree with the rest of the document whole heartedly.
Regards,
Mandar U Jog
31 December, 2012
Dear subscribers,
IAC is pleased to inform its members and friends that we finally have a Charter document.
Our Charter is attached as a .PDF file and comes into force from tomorrow 1st.January 2013
The Charter is a dynamic document, the latest version can be downloaded from IAC Charter
Sarbajit
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RE: [IAC#RG] Charter of the IAC
Dear Sarbajit ji,
Thanks for sharing with me and best wishes.
Dr. Kumar Arun
www.indiaheritagefoundation.us
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Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 02:32:53 -0800
From: pandekk@gmail.com
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Charter of the IAC
good effort and best wishes for more strength int he new year
Prof KKPande
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 02:32:53 -0800
From: pandekk@gmail.com
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Charter of the IAC
good effort and best wishes for more strength int he new year
Prof KKPande
On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 9:48 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
31 December, 2012
Dear subscribers,
IAC is pleased to inform its members and friends that we finally have a Charter document.
Our Charter is attached as a .PDF file and comes into force from tomorrow 1st.January 2013
The Charter is a dynamic document, the latest version can be downloaded from IAC Charter
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[IAC#RG] Murder of a young girl in Delhi (was sexonwheels)
Dear Nidhi
I think you know me well enough and long enough to know that we would
never stoop to such levels.
This is a typical example of Indians expecting that "somebody else"
(preferably in authority) will solve their problems if they complain.
All anyone had to do was to open their email program/browser click
"Edit subject" and change it to whatever they wanted.
Well I've just done so (as usual). Everyone please reply on this
subject.
Ciao
PS: To the member who wanted "child rights/protection , juvenile
justice etc in the Charter). We'd already had a discussion on this and
its MOST DEFINITELY in IAC's "to do" list but we didn't want to get
into detailing all the issues at this time. BTW: We have nothing
specific on women's rights either in the Charter. That must wait till
we start forming our local groups and special committees.
Sarbajit
On 12/31/12, Nidhi Sharma <nidhi2479@gmail.com> wrote:
> why on earth is the subject line "sex on wheels". its almost derogatory to
> the issue. seriously. is ths your way of attracting more slimy readers?
>
I think you know me well enough and long enough to know that we would
never stoop to such levels.
This is a typical example of Indians expecting that "somebody else"
(preferably in authority) will solve their problems if they complain.
All anyone had to do was to open their email program/browser click
"Edit subject" and change it to whatever they wanted.
Well I've just done so (as usual). Everyone please reply on this
subject.
Ciao
PS: To the member who wanted "child rights/protection , juvenile
justice etc in the Charter). We'd already had a discussion on this and
its MOST DEFINITELY in IAC's "to do" list but we didn't want to get
into detailing all the issues at this time. BTW: We have nothing
specific on women's rights either in the Charter. That must wait till
we start forming our local groups and special committees.
Sarbajit
On 12/31/12, Nidhi Sharma <nidhi2479@gmail.com> wrote:
> why on earth is the subject line "sex on wheels". its almost derogatory to
> the issue. seriously. is ths your way of attracting more slimy readers?
>
Re: [IAC#RG] Sex on wheels
Dear All,
It was obvious the government wanted the girl out of the way before she died.
The family had the right to cremate her as and where they chose. That right seems to have been violated.
Note that the Broadcast Editors Association refrained from telecasting the return and cremation. They must have been under enormous govt pressure. At the same time it was a private time for the family (police and VIPs notwithstanding) and perhaps it was all to the good that they were not further violated by intrusive cameras.
Lastly the rape law provided for concealment of the victim's name to protect her and her family. But at this point, now that this girl is gone, I feel that instead of various names she should be remembered for who she was. Her kin, neighbourhood and village already know her identity and what happened to her, as various newspaper reports testify. Let her live on as Jyoti, a living flame of resistance to violence against India's women,
Sujata Madhok
On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 5:40 PM, Sujata Madhok <sujatamadhok@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Sucheta,These are both valuable actions. But I am keen that someone take up the insurance issue. Too many innocents are being taken for a ride by being sold market linked policies -- e.g. our unlettered driver, and the neighbourhood tailor's son who had just got his first job (and lost it soon because of the eco downturn). These people have only heard of LIC and think it is a method of safe, longterm savings but get sold policies by private agencies and then find their hard earned savings dwindling when the market falls. We need research and reporting and activism on such issues. With your background of economic journalism you are best suited for such pioneering activism,Best wishes,Sujata MadhokNew DelhiOn Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 6:40 PM, Sucheta Dalal <sucheta@moneylife.in> wrote:
Yes. some city specific action on the ground by forming follow up groups alone will help carry things forward.At Moneylife Foundation www.mlfoundation.in we are trying to create groups for1. Support group for Railway passengers issues. A true braveheart called Samir Zaveri who works tireless for railway victims and improvement of services needs a expanded support group. What is unique about Samir is that he lost both is legs in a railway accident the age of 16 and has made its mission to try and save every single life he can -- not just from railway accidents, but even more from the callous cruelty of corrupt railway offiicals who rob people. He unearthed a fake bailbond scam and fake jail being run by railway police. For his trouble, he had a false murder charge slapped against him. Fortunately he has go off it.At a meeting recently it was decided that those who want to help would meet on the first saturday of every month between 3 pm and 5 pm at the address below. We welcome people to join this group.
2. A second support group we have started is to help people being missold insurance policies by banks and agents. That is a long agenda.We need to expand this into concrete action through follow up initiatives.Those with any other thoughts and ideas for taking things beyond e-mail based interaction my please contact me after checking out our work on the net !cheersSucheta DalalManaging Editor
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On 30-Dec-2012, at 5:27 PM, Rajasekaran Shanmuganathan wrote:Sarbajit Sir, I am really impressed with the number of emails this group is generating. Apart from all this impressive mails, are we capable of/ or planning any action.Post: "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net"On 30-Dec-2012, at 5:17 PM, Sarbajit Roy wrote:@ Bhupilegs
You said it !!!
SarbajitOn Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 3:53 PM, Bhupilegs <bhupilegs@yahoo.com> wrote:
It seems that the culprits were regularly
Indulging in these type of crimes
They were not novice
whereas Police must have found out
the names of other victims as well
and their silence on the subject is
Not warranted please come out
so that further crimes may be curbed
So far law is concerned it is already
existing what lacks is proper Investigation,Prosecution and strict Adjudication
Bhupi
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Re: [IAC#RG] Sex on wheels
why on earth is the subject line "sex on wheels". its almost derogatory to the issue. seriously. is ths your way of attracting more slimy readers?
RE: [IAC#RG] Sex on wheels
Dear all
The charter is a very useful document. Could I please add child protection to your list of possible causes. The protection, safety and education of our children should be top priority for our government. Juvenile crime which was also part of this sad case (one of the key assailants was allegedly a juvenile)is on the increase in India because of the neglect of our children especially the poor and the marginalised. I witnessed a group of young boys in Munirka recently high on drugs clearly without education tearing into each other violently and a seemingly lost generation. We need to rescue our children, inculcate the right values, ensure that there is no child labour, that the state does right by them so that they learn to respect society and its values. Unless we do this any law will only reinforce deprivation and will be used by the wealthy to protect their interests.
Let us rise as a group to demand the protection, safety and education of our children to create a better society. India's record of child rights is very poor. It is time to change this.
yours
Vinita Damodaran
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Sent: 31 December 2012 07:39
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Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Sex on wheels
Dear Sandhya ji, and other list members.
The message you replied to was not permitted to IAC's mailing list - as we suspected a financial scam to cheat our members.
A Mr. "S. Kumar" (kumar_8134@yahoo.com) has posted a reply to your earlier post on arrival of the body at IGIA. You would have received it from other sources.
The message was not allowed to IAC list because it contained personal references and was abusive in parts.
To IAC members:
Our Members are requested not to CC /Copy messages from other lists to IAC. Personal abuse will not be tolerated either. Such messages are usually being rejected - irrespective of its contents.
All IAC list are moderated. Post your message once, some lists take time to update, delays of 1 hour are normal.
We have limited bandwidth, please keep your emails crisp and focused. Please trim out all irrelevant trailing emails.
Emails saying "Thank you", "Yes I agree" etc. are not being circulated.
Sarbajit
The message you replied to was not permitted to IAC's mailing list - as we suspected a financial scam to cheat our members.
A Mr. "S. Kumar" (kumar_8134@yahoo.com) has posted a reply to your earlier post on arrival of the body at IGIA. You would have received it from other sources.
The message was not allowed to IAC list because it contained personal references and was abusive in parts.
To IAC members:
Our Members are requested not to CC /Copy messages from other lists to IAC. Personal abuse will not be tolerated either. Such messages are usually being rejected - irrespective of its contents.
All IAC list are moderated. Post your message once, some lists take time to update, delays of 1 hour are normal.
We have limited bandwidth, please keep your emails crisp and focused. Please trim out all irrelevant trailing emails.
Emails saying "Thank you", "Yes I agree" etc. are not being circulated.
Sarbajit
On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 12:31 PM, Sandhya Jain <sandhya206@bol.net.in> wrote:
Friends
I don't know what the message below means. The Government took care of all
medical expenses and will handle the prosecution of the case. The Family
will spend nothing at all.
Re father selling land - that was before the tragedy and for her education.
As of now, the family has not asked for any financial help from anyone and
there is no credible and verifiable appeal from them. Government has offered
psychological counselling. I am sure it will take care of everything
Sandhya
Re: [IAC#RG] Sex on wheels
All,
I agree that the title 'Sex on Wheels' is gender insensitive and discriminatory. Speaking in the same breath, I think that the Justice Verma Committee should not just address prevention of rape but the terms of reference should be enlarged to consider gender injustice and ways and means of preventing it by the complementary efforts of the Legislative/Executive/Judiciary.
Best regards,
Pankaj
I agree that the title 'Sex on Wheels' is gender insensitive and discriminatory. Speaking in the same breath, I think that the Justice Verma Committee should not just address prevention of rape but the terms of reference should be enlarged to consider gender injustice and ways and means of preventing it by the complementary efforts of the Legislative/Executive/Judiciary.
Best regards,
Pankaj
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Cc: rs chhikara <chhikarars1940@yahoo.co.in>
Sent: Monday, 31 December 2012 1:25 PM
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Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Sex on wheels
Dear Friends
I am sorry to have to point this out. But I find the tagline " sex on the wheels" insensitive. Surely, there is a way to reword the tagline of the messages you are sending out on this subject.
Best regards
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On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 8:57 PM, Virender Bhogal <vbhogal@gmail.com> wrote:
Ladies and Gentlemen,Preaching to the choir is not my intent.However, from the events of the last couple of weeks in the country, it is clear that the government machinery is well entrenched, robust, self-serving and totally without remorse. It will not change. Starting from Nehru, Krishna Menon and the like to Rahul Gandhi / Vadra at the bottom of the pit and the so called intelligential have either failed or raped the nation - exploited every weakness, destryed every strength.The jaded oldies, the common downtrodden middle-aged men and women, the optimistic youth are all either disgusted, disheartened or disillusioned. But each is hoping for a change. Each is hoping for appearance of that one lion who will lead them out of this quagmire.Do you see a lion?VirenderVirender Bhogal--On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 6:26 AM, rs chhikara <chhikarars1940@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
Dear Sucheta
I see two possible reasons for flying her out under a cloud of secrecy;
1. Out of Sight - Out of mind. Hoping that anger will subside.
2. Appear to be a caring establishment . Giving her the best possible medical care. But in that case they should have advertised their intention for maximum effect.
So, on balance it was the first reason along with the fact that they simply did not know how to respond to public sentiment.
When govt plans to fly her out first got reported as source information, my hunch was that she is either dead or dying. and I thought they would even cremate her abroad. Perhaps her family or the Govt of Singapore did not agree. More likely the later.
Be that as it may, It is time we brought the family out into the open.
Brig R S Chhikara
From: Sucheta Dalal <sucheta@moneylife.in>
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Sent: Sunday, 30 December 2012 7:07 PM
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Sex on wheels
Hi... dont understand why you wanted her airlifted out of india when she was already sinking or probably brain dead already?Am a little confused.Also understand that her family wnats to talk, so why should she remain faceless and nameless, if the family is ready to go public. Like keenan santos she should be a known symbol ofcourage and revolution - if her family is okay with it. I hear that her family is being pressured by the government to keep quiet.I dont understand why her funeral had to be hush-hush and quiet -- why not a hero's funeral for her?Would like to hear from you.
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On 30-Dec-2012, at 6:57 PM, Sarbajit Roy wrote:
Dear Dr. Rajasekaran Sir,
Our mailing list(s) is already being closely watched / tracked in the
corridors of power. But more than that, what is disclosed on this list
is (like an iceberg) only 10% of what is going on in the background.
for instance 2 minor things we (our IAC team) did,
1) We got the Lt.Gov of Delhi summoned back from his foreign holiday
2) We ensured the victim was airlifted out of the country when she was
virtually dead for all purposes.
Trust me sir, we are not taking credit for anything. We neither seek
or need publicity.
In a day or two, the Charter of IAC will be circulated to our
subscribers. It will clearly specify what our focus is, it may also
not suit many people on this list. Till now the IAC never had a
Charter or a vision - it was all ad-hoc and highly irregular. Too many
people were saying different things on behalf of IAC - there was no
commonality of purpose and it was all media oriented froth/hype which
raised great expectations in the citizens and failed to deliver. .
The apolitical IAC now has a longer event horizon than the previous
team. The first step of course is to bring "like minded" people
together - we are doing that. All we ask is your blessings and the
blessings of your membership. With good dedicated qualified
intelligent professional people working as a group the outcome can
only be positive if we can all somehow work together.
With best wishes
Sarbajit
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