Re: [rti4empowerment] RTI reply - a new trend

Dear Aiyer,

We ourselves are to be blamed.

 

WEDS

From: Gopalkrishnan iyer <iyer_ga@yahoo.com>
To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, 25 September 2011, 10:05
Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] RTI reply - a new trend

With almost 50% of our population living below poverty level and another 20% lower middle class (hand to mouth) the utility of RTI  appears to encompass only the 30% of population in the  affluent class! Among this 10 % constituting highest layers buy not only the information but also the information giver, generator and controller ! From the remaining 20% there could be hardly 3% of the people, possibly like this writer, who look upon RTI as a tool to be used should something somewhere go wrong or as a recourse to fight discrepancy, discrimination, delay, neglect, wrong doings, suppression, inequitable distribution, injustice and so on while the 70% (50+20) mentioned rarely venture into making an application under RTI as the Rs10 application fee is too much to afford, much less the expenses required to be incurred to carry the process till end and a demand to prove one's citizenship is unknown to them which drive them to some one who knows about it, which again would require some amount of money to be spent! One from these lot cannot make seeking information a priority with vehemence! Assuming without admiting that the PIO's demand is legitimate such querries, which ultimately arrives after 30 days when one eagerly awaits for the information after the mandatory period, is frustrating if not driven to  abandon RTI altogether! I wonder, after all struggles, whether there is at least one receipient of information which is fully satisfactory!     --- On Wed, 21/9/11, M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in> wrote: From: M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in> Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] RTI reply - a new trend To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, 21 September, 2011, 10:55 AM If the PIO insist on proof and in the absence of the same, refuse to give information, there is no legal remedy available to the applicant as the PIO can and will state that he doubted about the citizenship of the applicant.--- On Wed, 21/9/11, Col NR Kurup <colnrkurup@gmail.com> wrote:> From: Col NR Kurup <colnrkurup@gmail.com>> Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] RTI reply - a new trend> To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com> Date: Wednesday, 21 September, 2011, 5:04 AM> Unfortunately we the ciyzens are> helpless against such typical> bureaucratic tactics. If you want information you have no> choice but> to give the proof as only cityzens of India have the right> to> information in India.> > Col NR Kurup> > On 21/09/2011, Jagdeep DESAI <jagdeep.desai1@gmail.com>> wrote:> > Hello all,> >> > You are right, we need not at all give any proof of> Citizenship.> >> > Not interpreting any law, just trying to prevent such> gross nonsense by PIO.> >> > Thanqx.> >> > Jagdeep> >> >>>>> >> > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 11:40 PM, Vikram Simha> > <vikramsimha54@yahoo.co.in>wrote:> >> >> Why should We give the Pan card does it say that> you are a citizen of> >> india> >> in any word or way . Please for God sake do not> create Confusion By> >> interpreting the Law in your own way> >>> >> N vikramsimha , KRIA Katte , #12 Sumeru Sir M N> Krishna Rao Road ,> >> Basvangudi < Bangalore 560004.> >>> >> --- On *Tue, 20/9/11, Jagdeep DESAI <jagdeep.desai1@gmail.com>*> wrote:> >>> >>> >> From: Jagdeep DESAI <jagdeep.desai1@gmail.com>> >>> >> Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] RTI reply - a new> trend> >> To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com> >> Date: Tuesday, 20 September, 2011, 7:38 PM> >>> >>> >> Hello,> >>> >> One way to go around this is to always give a self> attested copy of the> >> PAN> >> card or any other photo identity, so they can't> delay on that ground at> >> least.> >>> >> Thanqx.> >>> >> Jagdeep> >>> >> >>>> >>> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:27 PM, sk alisha> >> <skalisha@gmail.com<http://in.mc1376.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=skalisha@gmail.com>> >> > wrote:> >>> >>> >> ha ha... ha... knowledge is improving against the> rti.> >> alisha> >>> >>> >>> >>