Re: [HumJanenge] RTI reply - a new trend

Hon'ble Central Information Commission, New Delhi have decided similar
issue/cases in Mr Ajit Kumar Vs Llit Kala Akademi (CIC/AD/C/09/00429
dated 08.06.2009) and Sh K. Balakrishnan Pillai Banglore Vs National
Human Rights Commission (CIC/OK/C/2008/0016 dated 26.08.08) wherein
the Public Authority were warned for exercising dilatory tactics and
harassing the information seeker by asking him to prove his
citizenship.

On 9/24/11, JSD PANI <jsdpani@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have read the mails. Let us not go with emotions. Activism is not emotion,
> though emotion triggers activism.
> Assume that PIO is asking for proof of citizenship as a delay tactics or to
> make the applicant frustrate and refrain him from making applications.
> Well. At the same time as a responsible citizens we need to respect the
> legslation. Legislation say that information can be obtained by the citizens
> of India. Hence it becomes our responsibility to provide proof of
> citizenship when demanded by the PIO. There are ID's to establish
> citizenship.
>
> Regards
> JSD Pani
>
> On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 9:24 PM, Vikram Simha
> <vikramsimha54@yahoo.co.in>wrote:
>
>> Dear Captain ,
>> RTI Act Works on the Idea & Ideal of the Citizen of This Country Being the
>> Master and All Public servants , Servants of this Master . democracy is
>> For
>> ,by & To the people .
>> There fore If you Understand this Great Principle and Practice it , There
>> should Not Be any Address as To the "PLEASE" Because the Public servant
>> Works at The pleasure of the Master not Vice -versa .
>> If There are people Who want to scuttle the Act , We Should Not surrender
>> to Such Persons But Fight them Effuciently
>> The question of One Being of or From same department , Kith Or kin Does
>> not
>> arise .
>> By Your Prefix I Understand you yourself Must be an Ex service man and Are
>> kindly aware of the Age old proverb "every thing is Fair in love & War "
>> Since RTI act 2 005 Has a Preamble Which Speaks of "Containing Corruption
>> and Hold the Govt's & its instrumentalities Accountable to the Governed
>> and If Relavation of Information in actual Practice is Likely to conflict
>> ..... etc and therefore it is Expedient to provide for Furnishing Certain
>> Information to Citizen who desire to have it .
>> Therefore There is a conflict here of the actual practice and RTI Act
>> 2006 Prevails .
>> Here as Per the Mail The seeker or requester is an retd Officer and He
>> will
>> Not be in possetion of the ID Card , since He will have surrenderd it at
>> the
>> time retirement .
>> Also If You Read the ID Card Will There be a mention or Any Mark , Etching
>> or Any Indication that the Card Holder is an Citizen of India .
>> If I am the PIO i will Certainly Query this Next on your submission of the
>> ID Because i am a dubting tom and want to carry effient Opertation of My
>> JOB
>> Due Have any Counter to this line of argument
>>
>> N vikramsimha , KRIA Katte , #12 Sumeru Sir M N Krishna Rao Road ,
>> Basvangudi < Bangalore 560004.
>>
>> --- On *Wed, 21/9/11, capt beniwal <trident142@yahoo.co.in>* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: capt beniwal <trident142@yahoo.co.in>
>> Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] RTI reply - a new trend
>> To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
>> Date: Wednesday, 21 September, 2011, 4:54 PM
>>
>>
>> please send a photo copy of your id which prooves that you are a citizen
>> of india. please remember there are plenty of people who wants to scuttle
>> the Act, frustrate an applicant so that he/she stop asking questions,
>> particularly if one belongs to same deptt.
>> --- On *Tue, 20/9/11, Mathre Rangarajan <rangajan@yahoo.com>* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Mathre Rangarajan <rangajan@yahoo.com>
>> Subject: [HumJanenge] RTI reply - a new trend
>> To: "Y Humjanenge - google" <humjanenge@googlegroups.com>, "Y Humjanenge -
>> yahoo" <humjanenge@yahoogroups.co.in>, "Y Adhikar" <
>> adhikaar@yahoogroups.com>, "Y Anna Hazare" <annahazare1@gmail.com>, "Y
>> Aridman" <aridaman@nishanjustice.org>, "Y C K Jam" <rtiwanted@yahoo.com>,
>> "Y rti_india" <rti_india@googlegroups.com>, "Y Rti$empoerrment - google" <
>> rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com>, "Y rti4empowerment - yahoo" <
>> rti4empowerment@yahoogroups.com>, "Y Rti_India"
>> <rti_india@yahoogroups.com>,
>> "Y Thekirti Karnataka Intiative RTI" <thekirti@yahoogroups.com>, "Y
>> RTI_India - yahoo" <RTI_india@yahoogroups.com>
>> Date: Tuesday, 20 September, 2011, 3:06 PM
>>
>> M. Rangarajan,
>> *(retired Group General Manager ONGC)*
>> B 2 – 301, SRIRAM SPANDHANA,
>> Chellaghatta village,
>> *Bangalore** – 560037*.
>> *Phone: 25227955, mobile 9945091581*
>> *e-mail: rangajan@yahoo.com / rangajan@gmail.com *
>> Dated 20th September 2011
>>
>> Dear friends / RTI activists,
>>
>> I asked for some information from M/s Chennai Petroleum Corporation Ltd, a
>> Government of India Undertaking under Ministry of Petroleum under RTI Act.
>> I
>> am enclosing copy of letter for information of all.
>>
>> The gist of letter is as followes:
>>
>> I quote:
>>
>> In compliance with Sec 3 of Right to Information Act 2005, we request you
>> to kindly send us the proof for citizenship like a copy of Election
>> Identity
>> Card, or a copy of tje Passport issued by Govt. of India or any document
>> duly attested by a Notory Public / Executive magistrate to eable us to
>> procede further.
>>
>> Unquote.
>>
>> I have sought information from many Cental Government Department, State
>> Government Departments, and Public Sector Undertaking etc and so for
>> none .have asked for proof of my Citizenship. This appear to be uncalled
>> for
>> and illigal new trend.
>>
>> I would very much appreciate some advise - how should I procede further.
>>
>> warm regards / rangarajan
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> JSD Pani
>

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