Re: [HumJanenge] Application and help Required

Dear krishan,
I am col Chauhan(Retd) and I can help you arrange your
get together to discuss the subject in issue in our Club at
SISPALVIHAR Society of AWHO.sect-49,Southcity II,Gurgaon.
I am always available at 01242218749/9350041734.

Chauhan S S

On 7/30/11, Krishan Mitroo <kmitroo@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sirs,
> We are running a Trust called - Ekagra Community Awareness Trust - "ECAT"
> for short.
>
> The initiative has been taken to spread an all round awareness on general
> issues effecting our society. We propose to arrange a get-together in Delhi
> sometimes end of August, may be August 27th, 2011. The initiative will be
> directed towards building a broad-base help line for the needy. Other
> points of agenda are most welcome.
>
> 1. Can some one suggest / arrange / contribute a place for the meeting ?
> 2. We can also have a cup of tea with biscuits, only while discussions.
>
> With kind Regards to one and all,
> Krishan Mitroo
> Trustee - ECAT.
> 9971144399 (After Aug 12, 2011 since presently I am traveling)
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 10:04 AM, Mr. Hemant Kshirsagar <
> hemantkshirsagar01@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Respected Sir,
>>
>> I also agree with you, but there are problems which require some help from
>> an experienced person. as per my experience and during my earlier request
>> regarding the RTI application with TRAI, there where very few nonspecific
>> answers for my queries on this group.
>>
>> Some people did approached me for helping me, but then they ended with
>> referring to a people who begin to ask for money in one form or the
>> other.Now, I require help, but also know that RTI activists are not
>> helping
>> without me paying them. So I made a offer for people who wished to help me
>> for a payment.And there were many.And none of them, replied when i had
>> asked
>> for help for the same earlier free.
>>
>> Also I had to file RTI regarding the pension file of a 80 year person and
>> some land issues in Delhi, which are specific to the cause.
>>
>> So, I apologize for any disregards caused to the esteemed group.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Mr. Hemant Kshirsagar
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 10:49 PM, Krishan Mitroo <kmitroo@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Pl Refer to mail from Mr MK Gupta Jul 27, 2011.
>>> In as much as I agree in principal that, all RTIs must be filed by the
>>> individual concerned rather by a "Mass of Junta"; unless it involves
>>> issues
>>> of National interest or of Local residents interest and specifically
>>> where
>>> the Responding Authority blatantly neglects to answer.
>>>
>>> To quote an example - Sometimes in 2007 or 2008, the Hon'ble Adjutant
>>> Gen.'s Br., Army HQ, after the expiry of initial 5 years of experimental
>>> running the scheme, held an open house meeting to gain opinion of the
>>> house
>>> for making a renewal and continuation application to the GOI - the "ECHS
>>> scheme". The meeting was attended by about 100 serving Officers in
>>> Uniform
>>> and I was one out of about four Ex-serviceman (except some Oi/c of
>>> neighboring polyclinics) present. In this meeting one of the senior &
>>> important speaker (an office bearer of ECHS) categorically stated that,
>>> "We
>>> have surveyed and found that, 95% beneficiaries are satisfied with
>>> services
>>> provided by ECHS in its present format .. ...". At the end of his
>>> address,
>>> I raised an objection and questioned,"Referring to your statement
>>> regarding
>>> level of satisfaction, it is incorrect to say that, 95% beneficiaries are
>>> satisfied, whereas with my personal experience as a beneficiary of ECHS,
>>> it
>>> may not be very incorrect to say that only about 5% beneficiaries could
>>> be
>>> satisfied leaving about 95% beneficiaries who are dissatisfied." Very
>>> promptly, I was supported by one of the Retired Maj Gen, who was also an
>>> invitee. Subsequently I put an RTI on all ECHS authoritiess (including
>>> AG,
>>> Army HQ) asking for a list with names and addresses of all ex-servicemen
>>> enrolled as members of ECHS, intention being to gain a physical census
>>> from
>>> all beneficiaries and prove the statement of AG's Office - wrong! The
>>> information was denied by stating that, this will jeopardise
>>> individual's
>>> security interest; knowing fully well the reason for which I had sought
>>> the
>>> information. The issue died its own death as no other beneficiary
>>> supported
>>> me ass not many know about the way the matter was manipulated.
>>>
>>> The point in issue is that, Govt Depts. including Defence Forces are very
>>> selective on method of conduct of any survey and not objective in
>>> involving
>>> the beneficiaries. My intention was to ask AG's Br to include more
>>> beneficiaries in the survey than the serving Officers ONLY.
>>>
>>> Now, such issues may require more number of beneficiaries demanding the
>>> data to collect the required information and not any issue which may have
>>> smaller application.
>>>
>>> Comments are still welcome.
>>>
>>> With best regards,
>>> Sqn Ldr SD MITROO (Retd.)
>>> kmitroo@gmaill.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 10:13 PM, M.K. Gupta
>>> <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in>wrote:
>>>
>>>> It is a wrong practice to ask some body else to file RTI appliation on
>>>> othres behalf as this practice will give a handle to the govt. to beat
>>>> the
>>>> RTI. We should have courage to file ourselves. Moreover, after filing
>>>> application, most of the time, follow-up up to CIC and sometimes up to
>>>> High/
>>>> Supreme Court is required.
>>>>
>>>> --- On *Wed, 27/7/11, Col thakur singh kaundal
>>>> <thakursinghk@gmail.com>*wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: Col thakur singh kaundal <thakursinghk@gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Application and help Required
>>>> To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
>>>> Date: Wednesday, 27 July, 2011, 8:15 PM
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I am at Delhi, will do the needful for setting things right.
>>>>
>>>> regards
>>>>
>>>> Col thakur singh
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Mr. Hemant Kshirsagar <
>>>> hemantkshirsagar01@gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=hemantkshirsagar01@gmail.com>
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dear All,
>>>>
>>>> I required RTI activists who will file on my/some ones behalf with some
>>>> governments agencies in Delhi and Mumbai.
>>>>
>>>> The help/guidance will certainly be acknowledged by suitable means.
>>>>
>>>> Please unicast me if interested.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> *Mr. Hemant Kshirsagar
>>>>
>>>> *
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

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Thanks and Regards
Col.S.S.Chauhan
9350041734