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All India Ex Soldier's League
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Shri AK Anthony
H'ble Raksha Mantri
FAX
From: Lt Gen GS Growl, PVSM (rtd) President AIESL
Maj Gen APS Chauhan (rtd) President Sainik sangh Vice President AIESL
Fax 23015403
Pages: 4
Copy to Defence Secretary
Date: Wednesday, July 27, 2011
Security: Unclassified
Transmitted by Maj Gen APS Chauhan
Firstly: Greetings from our fraternity and integrated Graam Samitees.
Secondly: This memorandum is a fall out from the regrettable controversy on COAS's date of birth attracting a public debate causing great concern at the grass root level.
Thirdly: You are conscious of the assault on reputation and virtues of the military institution on a continuous basis which must have a telling effect not only on our national prestige but pointedly on those sections of rural which field our fighting elements. Now it is the controversy about the date of birth of the incumbent Chief of the Army Staff Gen VK Singh.
On the face if it and simplistically an error or anomalous entry but irreconcilable and incorrigible being on his record. The ramifications of this are however grave and which cannot be wished away or disposed of as simplistically as may appear. This faux pas introduces extremely undesirable and damaging conflict of interests and a predicament for the establishment as to which date should decide the date of retirement of the General. Any choice will be tantamount to becoming arbitrary and challengeable.
Fourthly: We take this opportunity to share our position on this is a matter of concern for the entire veterans community as tarnishing of military image must hurt it most. There are a few postulates which stand out and give direction to resolving this extraordinary and exceptional case.
A: That the anomaly exists and was allowed to, over the entire period of the General's service speaks poorly of our efficiency in house keeping, responsibility for which rests entirely with the Ministry.
B: That the anomaly has been made public, when this is part of a highly confidential document and taken with its timing , raises alarm on vulnerability, the lack of integrity and reliability of those handling these sensitive documents. It follows that this lapse has remained covered in books even if by neglect but leaked with full knowledge of the repercussions of this thus a deliberate act of felony. This requires immediate action to fix responsibility and book the culprits.
C: Per say and axiomatically the clerical error thus assumes a diluted status becoming inconsequential when taken in context of the larger implication and gravity of the act of leaking the information. This must become a primary concern at the Ministry as it manifests a threat within, in these troubled times and more ahead, with which there aught to be no delay in dealing.
D: Security ramifications aside, a controversy of this nature involving the head of a military service of the nation should never have come to be debated as a law problem in public making us a laughing stock. Military management is not playing snakes and ladders as much as battles not won in court room's .This points acutely at our insensitivity to nuances beyond the immediate for the impact this can have at national level. Specifically sending wrong message to the soldier that the system that fields his commanders is highly suspect, which we think it is , denting his pride and trust which can result in breakdown of discipline, which is showing so and for which only the Ministry is finally accountable to the people.
E: Gen VK Singh took charge at an unenviable moment when our military image was already getting a battering at hands of sub-calibre generalship which logically led him to pledge publicly to attend to the health of the institution as his top priority. As any duty conscious incumbent would in the troubled circumstances and restore confidence at large. That despite a protracted neglect of the institution no earlier incumbent found it necessary to engage such, was in itself extraordinary and a relief. Indications are that is being apparently pursued vigorously as evident from the indictment of two previous Chiefs for involvement in land scandals. Indeed his predecessor had not only brought along a dim reputation from Northern Command of which you are fully seized, raising another public controversy, but understandably did all to cover misdemeanors of other senior officers under his charge some to our knowledge later indicted or waiting to be for similar misconduct. The fact that despite his reputation Gen Deepak Kapoor had been clearing successive rungs of advancement was itself bewildering and intriguing which we are sure is receiving your fullest attention as there cannot be a greater urgency at the Ministry than to shore up its invulnerability, both the MS Branch and the JS (G) not always carrying the distinction of upholding the credibility of their own offices. Officers with 5 point reports have made to Army Commanders. The leaking of information thus has an uncanny but definite connection with the previous Chief during whose tenure this leak was presumably detected. This affair therefore smacks of a deep conspiracy which must be exposed with urgency in national interest.
F: The higher interest of the Army and national security must remain the overriding factor to set the case at rest without further speculations and delay. An unsettled state of this nature is bad for military morale, distracting and impeding the COAS to conduct his business and disrupting continuity where this may be vital and critical in implementing measures to clean up the inherited mess which is deep and extensive. For this his services must be available for the maximum period possible much this may mean against vested interests wanting to extract their pound of flesh from this anomaly. We must instill confidence in the military and set a route for much needed corrections and reforms in officer grooming without which the military cannot be fitted out to deliver the consequences of which can be mind boggling; provided ofcourse there is a will and inclination to correct the decay.
G: The clerical anomaly must therefore not fog the exercise of decision making in the best interest of the country. Both military and civil bureaucracy must not disconnect with the psychology of the soldier, understood so well by the colonial masters nearly brought to their knees once, which understands only one language that his Chief cannot be brought under dispute whatever the nature as he must be spotless in every way to lead them into battle. We have been avoiding this test so far.
H: RM's advice to the military not to fonder media is sound but must be addressed to his Ministry too to create conditions to obviate the need for this.
Fifthly: This memorandum is not a brief for any individual or a lobby for any interests but one against such what is inimical to the interests of the soldier and the nation. An alert on setting right the standards of functioning and conduct which has a bearing on lives of men.
Signed
chauhan
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| To: H'ble Raksha Mantri | FAX | From: Lt Gen GS Growl, PVSM (rtd) President AIESL Maj Gen APS Chauhan (rtd) President Sainik sangh Vice President AIESL |
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| Pages: 4 | |
| Copy to Defence Secretary |
| Date: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 | |
| Security: Unclassified |
| Transmitted by Maj Gen APS Chauhan | |
Firstly: Greetings from our fraternity and integrated Graam Samitees.
Secondly: This memorandum is a fall out from the regrettable controversy on COAS's date of birth attracting a public debate causing great concern at the grass root level.
Thirdly: You are conscious of the assault on reputation and virtues of the military institution on a continuous basis which must have a telling effect not only on our national prestige but pointedly on those sections of rural which field our fighting elements. Now it is the controversy about the date of birth of the incumbent Chief of the Army Staff Gen VK Singh.
On the face if it and simplistically an error or anomalous entry but irreconcilable and incorrigible being on his record. The ramifications of this are however grave and which cannot be wished away or disposed of as simplistically as may appear. This faux pas introduces extremely undesirable and damaging conflict of interests and a predicament for the establishment as to which date should decide the date of retirement of the General. Any choice will be tantamount to becoming arbitrary and challengeable.
Fourthly: We take this opportunity to share our position on this is a matter of concern for the entire veterans community as tarnishing of military image must hurt it most. There are a few postulates which stand out and give direction to resolving this extraordinary and exceptional case.
A: That the anomaly exists and was allowed to, over the entire period of the General's service speaks poorly of our efficiency in house keeping, responsibility for which rests entirely with the Ministry.
B: That the anomaly has been made public, when this is part of a highly confidential document and taken with its timing , raises alarm on vulnerability, the lack of integrity and reliability of those handling these sensitive documents. It follows that this lapse has remained covered in books even if by neglect but leaked with full knowledge of the repercussions of this thus a deliberate act of felony. This requires immediate action to fix responsibility and book the culprits.
C: Per say and axiomatically the clerical error thus assumes a diluted status becoming inconsequential when taken in context of the larger implication and gravity of the act of leaking the information. This must become a primary concern at the Ministry as it manifests a threat within, in these troubled times and more ahead, with which there aught to be no delay in dealing.
D: Security ramifications aside, a controversy of this nature involving the head of a military service of the nation should never have come to be debated as a law problem in public making us a laughing stock. Military management is not playing snakes and ladders as much as battles not won in court room's .This points acutely at our insensitivity to nuances beyond the immediate for the impact this can have at national level. Specifically sending wrong message to the soldier that the system that fields his commanders is highly suspect, which we think it is , denting his pride and trust which can result in breakdown of discipline, which is showing so and for which only the Ministry is finally accountable to the people.
E: Gen VK Singh took charge at an unenviable moment when our military image was already getting a battering at hands of sub-calibre generalship which logically led him to pledge publicly to attend to the health of the institution as his top priority. As any duty conscious incumbent would in the troubled circumstances and restore confidence at large. That despite a protracted neglect of the institution no earlier incumbent found it necessary to engage such, was in itself extraordinary and a relief. Indications are that is being apparently pursued vigorously as evident from the indictment of two previous Chiefs for involvement in land scandals. Indeed his predecessor had not only brought along a dim reputation from Northern Command of which you are fully seized, raising another public controversy, but understandably did all to cover misdemeanors of other senior officers under his charge some to our knowledge later indicted or waiting to be for similar misconduct. The fact that despite his reputation Gen Deepak Kapoor had been clearing successive rungs of advancement was itself bewildering and intriguing which we are sure is receiving your fullest attention as there cannot be a greater urgency at the Ministry than to shore up its invulnerability, both the MS Branch and the JS (G) not always carrying the distinction of upholding the credibility of their own offices. Officers with 5 point reports have made to Army Commanders. The leaking of information thus has an uncanny but definite connection with the previous Chief during whose tenure this leak was presumably detected. This affair therefore smacks of a deep conspiracy which must be exposed with urgency in national interest.
F: The higher interest of the Army and national security must remain the overriding factor to set the case at rest without further speculations and delay. An unsettled state of this nature is bad for military morale, distracting and impeding the COAS to conduct his business and disrupting continuity where this may be vital and critical in implementing measures to clean up the inherited mess which is deep and extensive. For this his services must be available for the maximum period possible much this may mean against vested interests wanting to extract their pound of flesh from this anomaly. We must instill confidence in the military and set a route for much needed corrections and reforms in officer grooming without which the military cannot be fitted out to deliver the consequences of which can be mind boggling; provided ofcourse there is a will and inclination to correct the decay.
G: The clerical anomaly must therefore not fog the exercise of decision making in the best interest of the country. Both military and civil bureaucracy must not disconnect with the psychology of the soldier, understood so well by the colonial masters nearly brought to their knees once, which understands only one language that his Chief cannot be brought under dispute whatever the nature as he must be spotless in every way to lead them into battle. We have been avoiding this test so far.
H: RM's advice to the military not to fonder media is sound but must be addressed to his Ministry too to create conditions to obviate the need for this.
Fifthly: This memorandum is not a brief for any individual or a lobby for any interests but one against such what is inimical to the interests of the soldier and the nation. An alert on setting right the standards of functioning and conduct which has a bearing on lives of men.
Signed
chauhan
On 7/31/11, vijendra singh <vijendra5558@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Col, I will file RTI. Pl tell, write full facts.
> Yours,
> Vijendra Singh. mob-09897878951 Meerut (U.P.)
> Dated 30.07.2011
>
> On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 8:15 PM, Col thakur singh kaundal <
> thakursinghk@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am at Delhi, will do the needful for setting things right.
>>
>> regards
>>
>> Col thakur singh
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Mr. Hemant Kshirsagar <
>> hemantkshirsagar01@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear All,
>>>
>>> I required RTI activists who will file on my/some ones behalf with some
>>> governments agencies in Delhi and Mumbai.
>>>
>>> The help/guidance will certainly be acknowledged by suitable means.
>>>
>>> Please unicast me if interested.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> *Mr. Hemant Kshirsagar
>>>
>>> *
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Vijendra Singh
> E-19, Janakpuri,
> Ajanta Colony, garh road,
> Meerut-250004
> UP
>
Dear Col, I will file RTI. Pl tell, write full facts.
Yours,
Vijendra Singh. mob-09897878951 Meerut (U.P.)
Dated 30.07.2011--On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 8:15 PM, Col thakur singh kaundal <thakursinghk@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,I am at Delhi, will do the needful for setting things right.regardsCol thakur singhOn Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Mr. Hemant Kshirsagar <hemantkshirsagar01@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear All,
I required RTI activists who will file on my/some ones behalf with some governments agencies in Delhi and Mumbai.
The help/guidance will certainly be acknowledged by suitable means.
Please unicast me if interested.
Regards,
Mr. Hemant Kshirsagar
Vijendra Singh
E-19, Janakpuri,
Ajanta Colony, garh road,
Meerut-250004
UP
Chauhan S S
On 7/30/11, Krishan Mitroo <kmitroo@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sirs,
> We are running a Trust called - Ekagra Community Awareness Trust - "ECAT"
> for short.
>
> The initiative has been taken to spread an all round awareness on general
> issues effecting our society. We propose to arrange a get-together in Delhi
> sometimes end of August, may be August 27th, 2011. The initiative will be
> directed towards building a broad-base help line for the needy. Other
> points of agenda are most welcome.
>
> 1. Can some one suggest / arrange / contribute a place for the meeting ?
> 2. We can also have a cup of tea with biscuits, only while discussions.
>
> With kind Regards to one and all,
> Krishan Mitroo
> Trustee - ECAT.
> 9971144399 (After Aug 12, 2011 since presently I am traveling)
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 10:04 AM, Mr. Hemant Kshirsagar <
> hemantkshirsagar01@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Respected Sir,
>>
>> I also agree with you, but there are problems which require some help from
>> an experienced person. as per my experience and during my earlier request
>> regarding the RTI application with TRAI, there where very few nonspecific
>> answers for my queries on this group.
>>
>> Some people did approached me for helping me, but then they ended with
>> referring to a people who begin to ask for money in one form or the
>> other.Now, I require help, but also know that RTI activists are not
>> helping
>> without me paying them. So I made a offer for people who wished to help me
>> for a payment.And there were many.And none of them, replied when i had
>> asked
>> for help for the same earlier free.
>>
>> Also I had to file RTI regarding the pension file of a 80 year person and
>> some land issues in Delhi, which are specific to the cause.
>>
>> So, I apologize for any disregards caused to the esteemed group.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Mr. Hemant Kshirsagar
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 10:49 PM, Krishan Mitroo <kmitroo@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Pl Refer to mail from Mr MK Gupta Jul 27, 2011.
>>> In as much as I agree in principal that, all RTIs must be filed by the
>>> individual concerned rather by a "Mass of Junta"; unless it involves
>>> issues
>>> of National interest or of Local residents interest and specifically
>>> where
>>> the Responding Authority blatantly neglects to answer.
>>>
>>> To quote an example - Sometimes in 2007 or 2008, the Hon'ble Adjutant
>>> Gen.'s Br., Army HQ, after the expiry of initial 5 years of experimental
>>> running the scheme, held an open house meeting to gain opinion of the
>>> house
>>> for making a renewal and continuation application to the GOI - the "ECHS
>>> scheme". The meeting was attended by about 100 serving Officers in
>>> Uniform
>>> and I was one out of about four Ex-serviceman (except some Oi/c of
>>> neighboring polyclinics) present. In this meeting one of the senior &
>>> important speaker (an office bearer of ECHS) categorically stated that,
>>> "We
>>> have surveyed and found that, 95% beneficiaries are satisfied with
>>> services
>>> provided by ECHS in its present format .. ...". At the end of his
>>> address,
>>> I raised an objection and questioned,"Referring to your statement
>>> regarding
>>> level of satisfaction, it is incorrect to say that, 95% beneficiaries are
>>> satisfied, whereas with my personal experience as a beneficiary of ECHS,
>>> it
>>> may not be very incorrect to say that only about 5% beneficiaries could
>>> be
>>> satisfied leaving about 95% beneficiaries who are dissatisfied." Very
>>> promptly, I was supported by one of the Retired Maj Gen, who was also an
>>> invitee. Subsequently I put an RTI on all ECHS authoritiess (including
>>> AG,
>>> Army HQ) asking for a list with names and addresses of all ex-servicemen
>>> enrolled as members of ECHS, intention being to gain a physical census
>>> from
>>> all beneficiaries and prove the statement of AG's Office - wrong! The
>>> information was denied by stating that, this will jeopardise
>>> individual's
>>> security interest; knowing fully well the reason for which I had sought
>>> the
>>> information. The issue died its own death as no other beneficiary
>>> supported
>>> me ass not many know about the way the matter was manipulated.
>>>
>>> The point in issue is that, Govt Depts. including Defence Forces are very
>>> selective on method of conduct of any survey and not objective in
>>> involving
>>> the beneficiaries. My intention was to ask AG's Br to include more
>>> beneficiaries in the survey than the serving Officers ONLY.
>>>
>>> Now, such issues may require more number of beneficiaries demanding the
>>> data to collect the required information and not any issue which may have
>>> smaller application.
>>>
>>> Comments are still welcome.
>>>
>>> With best regards,
>>> Sqn Ldr SD MITROO (Retd.)
>>> kmitroo@gmaill.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 10:13 PM, M.K. Gupta
>>> <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in>wrote:
>>>
>>>> It is a wrong practice to ask some body else to file RTI appliation on
>>>> othres behalf as this practice will give a handle to the govt. to beat
>>>> the
>>>> RTI. We should have courage to file ourselves. Moreover, after filing
>>>> application, most of the time, follow-up up to CIC and sometimes up to
>>>> High/
>>>> Supreme Court is required.
>>>>
>>>> --- On *Wed, 27/7/11, Col thakur singh kaundal
>>>> <thakursinghk@gmail.com>*wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: Col thakur singh kaundal <thakursinghk@gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Application and help Required
>>>> To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com
>>>> Date: Wednesday, 27 July, 2011, 8:15 PM
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I am at Delhi, will do the needful for setting things right.
>>>>
>>>> regards
>>>>
>>>> Col thakur singh
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Mr. Hemant Kshirsagar <
>>>> hemantkshirsagar01@gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=hemantkshirsagar01@gmail.com>
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dear All,
>>>>
>>>> I required RTI activists who will file on my/some ones behalf with some
>>>> governments agencies in Delhi and Mumbai.
>>>>
>>>> The help/guidance will certainly be acknowledged by suitable means.
>>>>
>>>> Please unicast me if interested.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> *Mr. Hemant Kshirsagar
>>>>
>>>> *
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
--
Thanks and Regards
Col.S.S.Chauhan
9350041734
Hi,I am at Delhi, will do the needful for setting things right.regardsCol thakur singhOn Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Mr. Hemant Kshirsagar <hemantkshirsagar01@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear All,
I required RTI activists who will file on my/some ones behalf with some governments agencies in Delhi and Mumbai.
The help/guidance will certainly be acknowledged by suitable means.
Please unicast me if interested.
Regards,
Mr. Hemant Kshirsagar