Re: [IAC#RG] [New post] AMBEDKAR NEVER PARTICIPATED IN FREEDOM STRUGGLE FOR COUNTRY

My way of realising how Babasheb contributed to the freedom struggle - I consider it to be a major contribution.

Divide and rule by the Englishman is well known. All his bureaucrats were working overtime to ensure it is well known. Their crowning glory was the divide on religious lines which still haunts us.

Babasaheb launched another struggle - the up liftment of his caste. To bring in dignity to his caste, improve their self esteem and break the mental barrier in his caste that they are destined to lead a miserable life.

The Englishman  , knew that Babasaheb never saw eye to eye with MG. He saw an added opportunity here - caste divide.(though the blighters continue wrestling  with class divide in their own country )

The wily Englishman tried to give inducements to Babsaheb in the form of assured representations. 

This was definitely a source of worry for MG 

Though at loggerheads MG & Babasaheb had a chat.

It is to  the credit of Babasaheb that he accepted the appeal by MG and decided not to accept the inducements offered by the British. A relatively more cohesive team led by MG did make the British to sit up.

If this- in a form which is more decisive and telling,  is not contributing to the freedom movement , PRAY WHAT IS?. 

  

On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 7:01 AM, Sant Mathur <santmathur@gmail.com> wrote:

The plusses and minusses of anything,or person constitute the whole persona.
Truth can't,and shouldn't be cloaked,and certainly not wantonly,under
any flimsy excuse,just 'cause it hurts the sentiments of some.That
way,Science would never have progressed at all.You would have been
still believing in halieocentric views of cosmos only.
Vested interests always want fundamentalist views to prevail,and abhor
free debate,so much important for the very existence of democracy.
In one quietly created article Nehru wrote a piece against himself.
Yes,overplaying a card ,and for some ulterior motive,is no
good.Present a holistic picture,a balanced view, Its unfortunate that
in our culture we create deities out of us ordinary mortals. Are we
creatures,flawless,worshippable entities?
The new more enlightened India,having wider access to info,and not
living with the burden of past baggage,is entitled to re-evaluate one
and all,in light of more holistic info at their command. Its no good
stifling voices of variety/dissent.
spm

On 5/7/14, tadepalli triambakakishore <ltcolttkishore@gmail.com> wrote:
> What's the purpose of this write up?Nobody can discount the personality of
> BabaSaheb.( I a pedigreed member of Brahmin Caste
> am in total awe of the great person who overcame great challenges and
> consider him an AVATAR / Siddhapurush in the mold of rishis and gnanis).
> His shortcomings are minuscule as compared to Gandhi/ Nehrus/ Jinnah.
> A rough estimate puts Lower Castes( Sudras) , Dalits and Adivasis
> constitute a whopping 70% of BharatVasis.
> So is' nt it a travesty  of natural justice to perpetuate backwardness of
> majority. Meritocracy is good but welfare of majority is the crying need .
> Please spare me and like minded people of this vitriol.
> Veteran TTKishore
>
> On Wednesday, May 7, 2014, hindu speaks <comment-reply@wordpress.com>
> wrote:
>
>>    hindu speaks posted: "'There is not one instance, not one single,
>> solitary instance in which Ambedkar participated in any activity
>> connected
>> with that struggle to free the country' The recent furore following the
>> desecration of Dr Bhim Rao Ambedkar's statue in Bombay has lar"
>> Respond
>> to this post by replying above this line

>>       New post on *hindu speaks*
>> <http://hinduspeak.wordpress.com/author/hinduspeak/>  AMBEDKAR NEVER

>> PARTICIPATED IN FREEDOM STRUGGLE FOR

>> COUNTRY<http://hinduspeak.wordpress.com/2014/05/07/ambedkar-never-participated-in-freedom-struggle-for-country/>
>> by
>> hindu speaks <http://hinduspeak.wordpress.com/author/hinduspeak/>

>> 'There is not one instance, not one single, solitary instance in which
>> Ambedkar participated in any activity connected with that struggle to
>> free
>> the country' [image: Arun Shourie's book 'Woshipping False

>> Gods']<http://www.rediff.com/freedom/29ambe1.jpg> *The

>> recent furore following the desecration of Dr Bhim Rao Ambedkar's statue
>> in
>> Bombay has largely been interpreted as the resurgence of the dalit
>> movement
>> in India. A phenomenon which first saw its genesis in the philosophy and

>> personality of Dr B R Ambedkar 50 years ago. * * In his latest book,
>> *Worshipping
>> False Gods,* Arun Shourie* * challenges Dr Ambedkar's contribution to

>> Indian Independence. The book has already run into controversy and
>> several

>> dalit organisations in Maharashtra want it banned.* Ambedkar's public

>> life begins in a sense from a public meeting held at the Damodar Hall in
>> Bombay on March 9, 1924. The struggle for freeing the country from the
>> British was by then in full swing. Swami Vivekananda's work, Sri
>> Aurobindo's work, the Lokmanya's work had already stirred the country.
>> Lokmanya Tilak had passed away in 1920. The leadership of the National

>> Movement had fallen on Gandhi*ji.* He had already led the country in the
>> Champaran *satyagraha, *the Khilafat movement, in the *satyagraha*against

>> the Rowlatt Act, against the killings in Jallianwala Bagh and the
>> merciless repression in Punjab. This National Movement culminated in the
>> country's Independence in 1947. In a word, a quarter century of
>> Ambedkar's public career overlapped with this struggle of the country to
>> free itself from British rule. There is not one instance, not one single,
>> solitary instance in which Ambedkar participated in any activity
>> connected
>> with that struggle to free the country. Quite the contrary--at every
>> possible turn he opposed the campaigns of the National Movement, at every
>> setback to the Movement he was among those cheering the failure. Thus,
>> while the years culminated in the country's Independence, in Ambedkar's
>> case they culminated in his becoming a member of the Viceroy's Council,
>> that is -- to use the current terms -- a Minister in the British Cabinet
>> in
>> India. The writings of Ambedkar following the same pattern. The
>> Maharashtra government has by now published 14 volumes of the speeches
>> and
>> writings of Ambedkar. These cover 9,996 pages. Volumes up to the 12th
>> contain his speeches and writing up to 1946. These extend to 7,371 pages.
>> You would be hard put to find one article, one speech, one passage in
>> which
>> Ambedkar can be seen even by inference to be arguing for India's
>> Independence. Quite the contrary. Pause for a minute and read the

>> following: *All me to say that the British have a moral responsibility

>> towards the scheduled castes. They may have moral responsibilities
>> towards
>> all minorities. But it can never transcend the moral responsibility which
>> rests on them in respect of the untouchables. It is a pity how few
>> Britishers are aware of it and how fewer are prepared to discharge it.
>> British rule in India owes its very existence to the help rendered by the
>> untouchables. Many Britishers think that India was conquered by the
>> Clives,
>> Hastings, Coots and so on. Nothing can be a greater mistake. India was
>> conquered by an army of Indians and the Indians who formed the army were
>> all untouchables. British rule in India would have been impossible if the
>> untouchables had not helped the British to conquer India. Take the Battle
>> of Plassey which laid the beginning of British rule or the battle of
>> Kirkee
>> which completed the conquest of India. In both these fateful battles the

>> soldiers who fought for the British were all untouchables...* Who is

>> pleading thus to whom? It is B R Ambedkar writing on 14 May 1946 to a
>> member of the (British) Cabinet Mission, A V Alexander. Nor was this a
>> one-of slip, an arrangement crafted just for the occasion. Indeed, so
>> long
>> as the British were ruling over India, far from trying to hide such
>> views,
>> Ambedkar would lose no opportunity to advertise them, and to advertise
>> what
>> he had been doing to ensure that they came to prevail in practice. Among

>> the faithful his book *What Congress and Gandhi Have Done to the
>> Untouchables * is among the most admired and emulated of his writings. It

>> was published in 1945, that is just two years or so before India became
>> Independent. As we shall see when we turn to Ambedkar's views on how
>> harijans may be raised, it is an out and out regurgitation of the things
>> that the British rulers and the missionaries wanted to be said, of the
>> allegations and worse that they had been hurling at our civilisation and
>> people. The book has been published officially by the education
>> department
>> of the government of Maharashtra, and is sold at a subsidised price! It

>> constitutes Volume IX of the set *Dr Babasaheb Ambedkar, Writings and
>> Speeches.* It reproduces the speech Ambedkar made at the Round Table

>> Conference -- a speech which served the designs of the British rulers to
>> the dot, and for which, as we shall soon see, they were ever so grateful
>> to
>> Ambedkar for it became one of the principal devices for thwarting Gandhi

>> *ji.* In the speech Ambedkar addresses the prime minister and says,

>> "Prime minister, permit me to make one thing clear. The depressed classes
>> are not anxious, they are not clamorous, they have not started any
>> movement
>> for claiming that there shall be an immediate transfer of power from the
>> British to the Indian people.... Their position, to put it plainly, is
>> that
>> we are not anxious for transfer of power from the British to the Indian
>> people.... Their position, to put it plainly, is that we are not anxious
>> for transfer of political power...." But if the British were no longer
>> strong enough to resist the forces which were clamouring for such
>> transfer,
>> Ambedkar declared, then his demand was that they make certain
>> arrangements-- arrangements which we shall encounter repeatedly in his
>> speeches and writings, the essential point about which was to tie down
>> the
>> new government of Independent India.
>>

>> *Excerpted from *Worshipping False Gods* by Arun Shourie
>> source:http://www.rediff.com/freedom/29ambed.htm
>> <http://www.rediff.com/freedom/29ambed.htm>*
>>
>>
>>
>>
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