RE: [IAC++] Respectful advice to navnith

Dear Suraj Prakash,
 
I do appreciate your points.Let her be a part of the agitation,but not try to take over the leadership.IAC has gained much credibility because of Anna's stature.We have seen how much damage Gadkari has done to BJP.People with skeletons in their cup board and selfish goals should not be allowed to hijack an agitation like IAC.

Regards
 

navnith

 

 

 

> Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 07:03:04 +0530
> From: tutejasp@gmail.com
> To: iac@lists.riseup.net
> CC: tutejasp@gmail.com
> Subject: [IAC++] Respectful advice to navnith
>
> Dear Mr navnith
>
> Though I am nobody to take or influence any decision in the IAC, just
> a serious person eager to eradication corruption everywhere, but if
> you think with cool mind that even if what you state is 50 % or even
> more correct, why should any agitation for eradication of corruptions
> throw away even such supporters and make them a shouting enemy ?
>
> Sonia, Manmohan Singh, Digvijay, and many others in Congress or others
> else where also loudly acclaim to end corruptions, every knows what
> actually they mean and practice, but nobody asks them to keep away.
> Why shun Medha Patkar, who is at least fighting along the right
> thinking people.
>
> What we should endeavour at the present time is not to shun
> supporters, but to gather support from all people to mount pressure on
> the Govt to pass the Jan Lok Pal Bill, and not the mischief scrap of
> paper called Lok Pal Bill as passed by the Lok Sabha.
>
> Every one everywhere gives his time and energy for some of the other
> of his personal gains, even if it is name and fame, so did Mahatma,
> Jawahar, for rightful cause, and now Sonia, DigVijay for wrongful
> cause why single out Medha Patkar who is - at least to your thinking -
> on the right side to erradicate corruption. Let us not diffuse the
> greatly neeeded agitation for a right cause, and send out wrong
> signals for the intentions of the present supporters, and give a lever
> in hands of Govt for example while thousands of other pharmaceutical
> are really manufacturing rotten medicines, but Govt singling out
> RamDev for multiple extended Govt enquiries for so alleged spurious
> medicines, to disrrupt the greatly needed cause and agitation. Kindly
> think with wider preospective.
>
> Respectfully yours
>
> SurajParkash
>
>
>
> On 11/17/12, Navnith Krishnan <navkris@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > When I commented on Medha,I never thought I am in the company of some
> > intolerant people.I do not think I have used any abusive words against Medha
> > for some to get excited over it and call it blasphemy.Does any one think
> > that her NBA came a cropper just because of a split decision by the SC ? If
> > that is the case every Andolan can be scuttled by a HC or SC.I think she is
> > a professional agitator like a professional politician.She did not feel the
> > pulse of the people and depended on support from abroad.I feel NBA became a
> > failure because of her.
> > Such people go around looking for agitations, what ever may be the cause,
> > for publicity .She wants only a platform and is always in search of one.
> > From where she gets her funds and I am sure it is not from those Narmada
> > evacuees.I do agree that many people like me have no time to be a full time
> > professional agitator like her.I have seen her in southern states also
> > giving big speeches without any idea of the problems.
> > Where was she when Anna and Arvind started their agitation? If Anna gives
> > way too much to her as I see from TV,she trying to take over,,his agitation
> > also will end up like NBA.That is my worry.
> > Corruption is a big issue in this country.Anna and Arvind are doing good in
> > their own way.At the same time this agitation should not be allowed to be
> > hijacked by people like Medha.
> >
> >
> >
> > navnith
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 16:10:43 +0530
> >> From: tutejasp@gmail.com
> >> To: iac@lists.riseup.net
> >> CC: sohonikumar@yahoo.co.in
> >> Subject: [IAC++] Respectful advice to navnith
> >>
> >> Dear friends :
> >>
> >> Comments by navnith are in bad taste and lack of maturity. For the
> >> cause of freedom of India, people with all differing thought and
> >> action plans came forward, who objected to the worklk plans of Gandhi,
> >> Subhash, Bhagat Singh, and many others, but they were all for the same
> >> good cause. So also are Kejriwal, Anna, Medha, and others.
> >>
> >> If navnith is serious for the eradication of corruption, he should
> >> refrain from creating any suspicions between varying groups for the
> >> common cause, let each one do his job in the way he thinks best.
> >>
> >> SurajParkash
> >>
> >> On 11/17/12, Sujit Patwardhan <patwardhan.sujit@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > You are right.
> >> >
> >> > I'm surprised by the language being used in some of the emails,
> >> > particularly because while we may all have differences in our viewpoint
> >> > I
> >> > assume we do support action (and activism) to oppose Corruption,
> >> > Inequity
> >> > and Injustice. It doesn't help when someone says " NBA came a cropper
> >> > due
> >> > to lack of public support (It didn't. It was the split decision of the
> >> > Supreme Court)".
> >> >
> >> > Also if someone feels "Medha Patkar is roaming the country hogging
> >> > limelight as a crusader" the writer should try to do the same and see
> >> > for
> >> > himself if that is such a cushy thing to do. Making personal derogatory
> >> > comments without adequate proof is a sure sign of lacking a logical
> >> > argument and contributors to this forum should have the sense and
> >> > maturity
> >> > to avoid that.
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Sujit
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 9:04 AM, kumar sohoni
> >> > <sohonikumar@yahoo.co.in>wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Anna Hazare should keep his activity in Ralegaon only...
> >> >> Medha Patkar is highly qualified literete and has world class studies
> >> >> 9of
> >> >> any given subject..Anna should not be considedred as
> >> >> Mahatma Gandhi the father of the nation ..he has limitations, in other
> >> >> words not at all qualified literaly as compared to the Bapuji the
> >> >> father
> >> >> of the nation...
> >> >>
> >> >> KUMAR
> >> >> *From:* Navnith Krishnan <navkris@hotmail.com>
> >> >> *To:* iac@lists.riseup.net
> >> >> *Sent:* Thursday, 15 November 2012 7:56 PM
> >> >> *Subject:* RE: [IAC++] Ms. Medha Patkar
> >> >>
> >> >> Medha patkar and Swami Agnivesh are the two sides of the same
> >> >> coin.After
> >> >> her NBA came a cropper mainly because of lack of public suport,she is
> >> >> roaming around the country hogging lime light as a crusader.It is
> >> >> better
> >> >> for Anna and IAC to keep her at arm's length.
> >> >>
> >> >> *navnith*
> >> >> **
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 12:34:38 +0530
> >> >> From: sroy.mb@gmail.com
> >> >> To: iac@lists.riseup.net
> >> >> Subject: Re: [IAC++] Ms. Medha Patkar
> >> >>
> >> >> Hi Joya Mashi
> >> >>
> >> >> BTW. Are you sure you want to expose we're related ? I wouldn't.
> >> >> Wouldn't
> >> >> that cause problems in your exalted NGO circles and the IIC crowd ?
> >> >> Anyway,
> >> >> we're all fine. (And when did you sign up with an IAC chapter?)
> >> >>
> >> >> We don't condemn "all" activists. We first question them when they use
> >> >> donated funds / grants without disclosing their conflicts of interest
> >> >> in
> >> >> advance while engaging with us. We especially question them if the
> >> >> donors
> >> >> are foreigners. We challenge the so called definition of "civil
> >> >> society"
> >> >> as
> >> >> it trivialises the role of "aam aadmi" in an anyway mythical
> >> >> democracy.
> >> >> When our questions are not answered ONLY THEN do we condemn them -
> >> >> preferably in public so that we can be corrected /ticked off if wrong
> >> >> -
> >> >> UNLIKE THE bananas who never condescend to reply.
> >> >>
> >> >> For instance in Medha Patkar's case I willingly modified my claim
> >> >> about
> >> >> her being "foreign financed" because it was mainly based on her
> >> >> getting
> >> >> a
> >> >> Magsaysay award and secondly the allegations of the Ahmedabad NGO.such
> >> >> as
> >> >> at here
> >> >>
> >> >> http://newsbharati.com/Encyc/2012/10/5/Medha-Patkar-s-faux-pas-Blocking-info-on-Foreign-Funds-received.aspx
> >> >>
> >> >> So, by your book, its OK to "target" Medha but its bad form when we
> >> >> target
> >> >> :"Aruna" ? Bollocks !
> >> >>
> >> >> FYI, we always knew Medha studied at TISS. The fact that TISS brought
> >> >> out
> >> >> (manufactured) that Narmada report very conveniently for her when NBA
> >> >> was
> >> >> on the ropes in the SC is nether here nor there. Nor is her wikjpedia
> >> >> article which says she was a "past employee in the Tata empire"
> >> >> (coincidentally so also says Arvinds) relevant to the financing
> >> >> debate.
> >> >> What would be relevant would if somebody showed that Medha stalled
> >> >> Singur
> >> >> (as a hired gun) so that Tata empire could hang on to the massive
> >> >> monies
> >> >> mobilised from Nano advance bookings and use it to buy up companies
> >> >> globally and then refinance it 3 or 5 times on the rigged Indian stock
> >> >> markets by judicious insider trading. (That would need a Sucheta Dalal
> >> >> to
> >> >> investigate and follow the money)
> >> >>
> >> >> What is relevant on NBA's corruption is this portion of the 3 judge SC
> >> >> bench in 2011.
> >> >> http://indiankanoon.org/doc/769498/
> >> >>
> >> >> "131. Before adverting to the next issue, it is desirable to deal with
> >> >> the
> >> >> conduct of the NBA. The question is not of justification of the tenure
> >> >> holders to retain possession of the land, rather it had emphatically
> >> >> been
> >> >> argued by Shri Sanjay Parekh, learned counsel appearing for the said
> >> >> applicant/respondent, that powers under Section 48 of the Act 1894
> >> >> could
> >> >> not be resorted to because the tenure holders had already been
> >> >> physically
> >> >> dispossessed and land stood vested in the State. Therefore, the same
> >> >> could
> >> >> not be divested. The matter was argued by Shri Sanjay Parekh at great
> >> >> length to impress upon the Court that the tenure holders had been
> >> >> actually
> >> >> dispossessed long ago. This fact was denied by the State. It was only
> >> >> after
> >> >> considering the rival submissions on behalf of the parties that this
> >> >> Court
> >> >> thought it fit and appropriate to have a spot inspection report and
> >> >> then
> >> >> the District Judge, Indore, was asked to make a local inspection and
> >> >> submit
> >> >> the report. The report has been made after making an inspection of the
> >> >> area
> >> >> and recording statements of the tenure holders in presence of Shri
> >> >> Alok
> >> >> Agrawal, Chief activist of NBA and thus, we accept the same. It is
> >> >> evident from the said report that statements made by the said
> >> >> applicant/respondent in the Court, in this regard are factually
> >> >> incorrect
> >> >> and false. The Court has been entertaining this petition under the
> >> >> bona
> >> >> fide belief that NBA was espousing the grievance of inarticulate and
> >> >> illiterate poor farmers, with all sincerity and thus, would not make
> >> >> any
> >> >> misleading statement. However, our belief stands fully belied.
> >> >> Applicant
> >> >> /
> >> >> respondent made pleadings and advanced arguments without any basis
> >> >> only
> >> >> to
> >> >> secure unwarranted benefits to those tenure holders. In the instant
> >> >> case
> >> >> it
> >> >> stands discredited totally in the eyes of this Court. This Court had
> >> >> been a little careful and cautious in this regard, which has exposed
> >> >> the
> >> >> true picture.
> >> >>
> >> >> 132. In such a fact-situation, the NBA not having personal interest in
> >> >> the case, cannot claim to be dominus litis. Thus, it ought to have
> >> >> acted
> >> >> at every stage with full sense of responsibility and sincerity.
> >> >> Earlier
> >> >> also, this Court in Narmada Bachao Andolan v. Union of India & Ors.,
> >> >> (1998)
> >> >> 5 SCC 586, has disapproved the conduct of the Narmada Bachao Andolan
> >> >> and
> >> >> described it to be most unfortunate that it had celebrated the 4th
> >> >> anniversary of the stoppage of work of the dam under the interim
> >> >> orders
> >> >> of
> >> >> the Court. This Court found it to be an obstruction in the way of
> >> >> implementing the R&R Policy. However, at that time this Court was
> >> >> assured
> >> >> by the said NBA that they "shall not directly or indirectly give any
> >> >> cause
> >> >> for concern by this Court."; But, in our opinion, it has not been able
> >> >> to
> >> >> keep its solemn undertaking given to this Court."
> >> >>
> >> >> I don't even want to start on Aid-India and its foreign funding as
> >> >> that
> >> >> would require a full book (in 10 volumes) far beyond the 2 odd
> >> >> chapters
> >> >> those vigilonline people wrote about in their NGO-as-Industry-and
> >> >> singing-for supper-book. (I'm sure you have a copy of it).
> >> >>
> >> >> So what if Aruna Roy supposedly sat on dharna in Rajasthan. Does that
> >> >> give
> >> >> her any special status. I also sat in the SC 13 years ('83-'86) before
> >> >> her
> >> >> getting proo-bono info for poor people ? What makes her corrupt are
> >> >> her
> >> >> actions (eg. touting from under Sonia's extra-Constitutional
> >> >> petticoats)
> >> >> thereafter. (BTW: Every dog, incl. me, claims that the RTI Act 2005
> >> >> was
> >> >> drafted by them)
> >> >>
> >> >> *Parting shot:* Why, for eg., is water in Delhi being handed over to
> >> >> Tata and Reliance (L&T) in the same way as they did Electricity ?
> >> >> Because
> >> >> of these NGO 'haramis" who collaborate with their - fake "hands off"
> >> >> R&D
> >> >> NGOs like TERI ('bijli'/'transport') and IMWI-TATA('pani) to do it.
> >> >> And
> >> >> yet
> >> >> Medha says that Tatas are honest {I'm sure I'll find that news report
> >> >> eventually - till then read these).
> >> >>
> >> >> *Links (further reading)*:
> >> >>
> >> >> http://dharmanext.blogspot.in/2012/01/truth-about-medha-patkar.html
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> http://www.dailypioneer.com/nation/65407-sc-refuses-to-expunge-remarks-against-medha-patkars-nba.html
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> http://www.firstpost.com/politics/land-wars-anand-mahindra-debates-medha-patkar-111301.html
> >> >>
> >> >> Sarbajit
> >> >> *National Convenor
> >> >> India Against Corruption** - Jan Andolan
> >> >> *
> >> >> On 11/15/12, Prodipto Roy <prodipto.r@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> > Hullo,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Why this blanket condemnation of all 'activists' (i.e., concerned
> >> >> > citizens who go public)?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I thought you targeted Medha because you found out that she was a
> >> >> > TISS
> >> >> > alumni, hence 'funded' by Tatas. NBA does get 'foreign' funds, from
> >> >> > AIDIndia, for example, started by Ravi Kuchimanchi, an IIT engineer
> >> >> > I
> >> >> > believe. They built the microhydels for NBA in Maharashtra and
> >> >> > supplied grain for Bhil families who were stranded on 'tapu'
> >> >> > hilltops
> >> >> > when SSP waters cut them off from the dry land.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Aruna Roy sat on dharna with hundreds of other concerned citizens
> >> >> > till
> >> >> > the RTI act was passed in Rajasthan. What's 'corrupt' about her
> >> >> > activities? I know anyone can write anything on the Net but you
> >> >> > should
> >> >> > be more concerned with facts, evidence, and the reliability of your
> >> >> > sources than with tarring everyone with the same brush.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > How are you all otherwise?!
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Joya (Mashi)
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On 11/14/12, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> Dear Friends
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> It seems I have posted 2 emails describing among other things Ms.
> >> >> >> Medha
> >> >> >> Patkar (and Arvind Kejriwal) as "*foreign financed*". A few kind
> >> >> >> people
> >> >> >> have brought this (and another item concerning the lady activist)
> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> my
> >> >> >> attention causing me to research the matter further.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I must say that I had made this statement based on my recollection
> >> >> >> of.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> a) Certain Supreme Court orders in NBA matters last year,
> >> >> >> b) Activism and PR of an Ahmedabad based NGO - NCCL or suchlike
> >> >> >> c) A series of news reports which described Ms. Medha Patkar as a
> >> >> >> Magsaysay
> >> >> >> awardee (the latest series of which was about 6 days back when she
> >> >> >> was
> >> >> >> arrested and got bail etc.). Everyone who reads me regularly knows
> >> >> >> my
> >> >> >> views
> >> >> >> on awards/awardees like this which are only awarded to corrupt
> >> >> >> people.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> It seems I may have been wrong on the Magsaysay award (and I
> >> >> >> couldn't
> >> >> >> locate it on the RMAF website either when I checked). For what its
> >> >> >> worth
> >> >> >> the news stories which misled me were
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2010-01-07/india/28114789_1_naxal-hit-areas-narmada-bachao-andolan-tribals
> >> >> >>
> >> >> http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2012-11-07/bhopal/34972300_1_medha-patkar-kss-activists-narmada-bachao-andolan
> >> >> >>
> >> >> http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2012-11-08/bhopal/34993083_1_medha-patkar-personal-bond-kss
> >> >> >>
> >> >> http://zeenews.india.com/news/nation/corruption-systemic-change-anna-hazares-new-targets_810317.html
> >> >> >>
> >> >> http://zeenews.india.com/news/nation/anna-hazare-holds-meeting-in-delhi_810317.html
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> and a string of others which any can search for on google.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> So I am (temporarily) modifying my statement that Ms. Patkar is
> >> >> >> foreign
> >> >> >> financed (Magsaysay CIA spy by implication like Arvind, Kiran Bedi,
> >> >> Aruna
> >> >> >> Roy etc...) till I fully research the matter again. My thanks to
> >> >> >> those
> >> >> >> who
> >> >> >> pointed this out and my apology(s) to any/everybody who was
> >> >> >> offended.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I am also open to discuss another aspect which is being
> >> >> >> communicated
> >> >> >> in
> >> >> >> private emails to me from a certain IAC section on this list.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Namely that while Arvind's group is completely corrupt, money
> >> >> >> obsessed
> >> >> >> and
> >> >> >> tainted (which is why the political option suits them to a T) but
> >> >> >> Anna
> >> >> >> and
> >> >> >> Medha etc. (but not Kiran Bedi - who is needed for other reasons)
> >> >> >> are
> >> >> >> mature/decent/honest/simple folk with long track records of
> >> >> >> grassroots
> >> >> >> clean activism etc. but who simply cannot function with Arvind.
> >> >> >> Since
> >> >> >> this a open mailing list I suppose, all knowledgeable subscribers
> >> >> >> should
> >> >> >> and ought to write in so that all dimensions / truth of the IAC
> >> >> >> fracture/implosion emerge and can be chronicled for future
> >> >> >> researchers.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Sarbajit
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >>
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