Re: Fwd: [rti4empowerment] NEW AMENDMENT RULES TO RTI ACT IN KARNATAKA STATE

Dear Gupthaji, I am really surprised that you presume a few of us do not work under one banner . Nor your advice is Apt in so far as that it is not the Fact of one banner or working in tandem which is our problem . I Have very Consiouslly Not NAMED CERTAIN PERSONS , whom i am aware are Members of this group placed right in bangalore but do  not wish to join hands with us , nor subsribe to our thoughts and actions . We in karnataka are aware who they are and know how they work . if you look into history also when we got fredom therewere people From both ends , i only Coin them as SATHYASHODAK's and SATHYAPRAVAHI's ( because my family did have both of them) and ultimately fredom was achived by the thoughts and actions of both these school of Thoughts. The Ego and One upmanship that i Spoke in My first mail on this thread is not at all of us whose emails Appear . These People use Psuedonyms and have thier own Masters . A reliasation of some of them happened in Febraury 2011 when in a meeting of kIC/DPAR?GOK and Civil society these people wanted and tried their level best to find places and spaces for themselves ignoring all others . For your information i was not at in that meet because i was not Informed of the meeting well in advance . This is initself one of the methodology they use to userp others rights . So POOR Vikram or Shashi kumar and all their ilk have to fight on two fronts one inside and one outside . Mr Guptha ji , therfore they require all the sympathy's from all others and only Solace to all are that they are not "ARMCHAIR ACTIVISTS" N vikramsimha , KRIA Koota , #12 Sumeru Sir M N Krishna Rao Road , Basvangudi < Bangalore 560004. --- On Sat, 12/11/11, M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in> wrote: From: M.K. Gupta <mkgupta100@yahoo.co.in> Subject: Re: Fwd: [rti4empowerment] NEW AMENDMENT RULES TO RTI ACT IN KARNATAKA STATE To: "rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com" <rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com> Date: Saturday, 12 November, 2011, 10:17 PM I call upon Vikram, Shashi Kumar ji and all other to work under ne banner forgetting thier personal differences.  Do not give any chance to KSIC to exploit the situation and work at its whims and fancies, forgetting the Act. From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, 11 November 2011 11:40 PM Subject: Re: Fwd: [rti4empowerment] NEW AMENDMENT RULES TO RTI ACT IN KARNATAKA STATE Dear Friends I have read this Karnataka RTI related thread quite carefully. It appears that RTI activists from Karnataka lag behind the rest of India quite considerably (second in their egos only to my friends from Maharashtra) and the situation is easily exploited by the SCIC to divide and rule. It is far better that the RTI Act is scrapped in Karnataka before such actions expand to the rest of India (like that 150 word per RTI rule). Sarbajit On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 10:14 PM, Vikram Simha <vikramsimha54@yahoo.co.in> wrote: > Dear Shashi Kumar > I am sorry , Once Again I repeat that You Confuse yourself and Tend to club all Problems or Difficulties that the Common man faces to One Issue which has come out. My First mail was Very explicit it is our Own making of EGO clashes and ONEUPMANSHIP Being Played by Certain So called ACTIVISTS . > It Is No Doubt that this Rule Made by the GOK is a Very silly one without Giving a proper understanding to the IDEA IDEALS and practice of the act > I Can Just say that the people who Have Brought the ammendement must have Thought they Are experts but We all will Become if Do not ascertain our Rights under RTI section 18 . Yes I do agree i have an ACTIUON PLAN and Rananeethi which Can only Conveyed Personally and Not in these Forums for obvious reason . > If the KIC is Inviting Trouble Every day it is their Bliss > as reagads all Your other problems As activists We Got to Work and Slog and It is only the First part To discuss it for an Planning > N vikramsimha , KRIA Koota , #12 Sumeru Sir M N Krishna Rao Road , Basvangudi < Bangalore 560004. > > > --- On Fri, 11/11/11, Anand Acf <acfanand@gmail.com> wrote: > >> From: Anand Acf <acfanand@gmail.com> >> Subject: Fwd: [rti4empowerment] NEW AMENDMENT RULES TO RTI ACT IN KARNATAKA STATE >> To: scic@karnataka.gov.in >> Cc: "rti4empowerment" <rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com>, secy-kic@karnataka.gov.in >> Date: Friday, 11 November, 2011, 5:42 PM >> Dear A.k.m. Naik, >> >> Forwarded fro Kind Attention >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: "SHASHI KUMAR.A.R." <rudreshtechnology@gmail.com> >> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 00:27:06 +0530 >> Subject: Re: [rti4empowerment] NEW AMENDMENT RULES TO RTI >> ACT IN KARNATAKA STATE >> To: rti4empowerment@googlegroups.com >> >> Dear elder brother Sri. Vikram sir >> >> Thank you sir , I   am not offensive or >> defensive to your coment , It is my >> job to write as a journalist what i saw in the KIC , To day >> also i had seen >> the commission official  who is receiving >> the  complaints or appeals is >> refusing to take the complaints under section 18 of the act >> and they are >> directing  1st to use section 19(1) and then come to >> the commission and to >> see the gazette notification which is displayed on the >> notice board >> As an law graduate i  know and very ordinary >> citizen  says the rule made is >> perfect , But My question is what is the necessity of >> making gazette >> notification by the government the law which is already >> existing in RTI Act >> 2005   pertaining to 1st appeal before the >> respective appelate authority >>  and then to the KIC , >> The Karntaka information commisssion is having 6 >> information commissioners >> and must see that all the departments must appoint PIO's >> and appelate >> authorites and to bring awareness &basics of RTI Act , >> Even after lapse of  6 years  majority  of >> the government departments fails >> to comply section 4(1)a / b of the act ,  One of our >> volunteer filed rti >> application pertaining to all the offices under >> Vidhanasoudha and >> vikas soudha [ 47 applications] , But the bundle is sent >> back to him and >> then he sent through COP / Ordinary post and it is deemed >> to be received >>  Even after lapse of more than 1 year no response from any >> body from >> vidhanasoudha / Vikasasoudha , But  complaint >> under section 18 is filed to >> the commission ,  but commission instead of hearing >> the complaints , >> directed the petitioner to provide details regarding >> all the pio names and >> addresses , The government heads are not complying either >> section  4(1) a >> or b , even i filed  rti application 2 years back with >> city civil court , >> they collected further fee but even after several hearings >> no information >> is provided but information commissoners are retiring and >> Pio;s of courts >> retiring ,but application is still pending in the >> commisson  , this story >> is same to other courts also , Karnataka lokayuktha office >> not complied the >> same ,KARNATAKA HUMAN RIGHTS COMMISSION  STILL NOT >> HAVING ITS OFFICIAL >> WEBSITE , WHAT WE CAN EXPECT FROM AT  RURAL KARNATAKA >> LIKE GRAMA PANCHAYATH >> LEVEL >> >> Thank you >> >> ARS KUMAR. BE LLB MA JOURNALISM [ MA HUMAN RIGHTS ] >> SOCIAL ACTIVIST & JOURNALIST >> Correspondent to the Weekly news paper " REPORTER" >> Correspondent to Breaking News today News paper >> >> >> >> On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 8:40 PM, Anand Acf <acfanand@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> > I don't find any mistake in the amendment. It clearly >> states no one >> > can approach KIC u/s 19(3) with out approaching FAA >> u/s 19(1) >> > >> > On 11/9/11, SHASHI KUMAR.A.R. <rudreshtechnology@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > > *DEAR BROTHERS /SISTERS / RTI USERS * >> > > *FOR KIND ATTENTION * >> > > * >> > > * >> > > *KARNATAKA  GOVT  ISSUED AN GAZETTE >> NOTIFICATION  DATED 22/10/11 , >> > ENCLOSED >> > > THE PDF VERSION , NOW THE KARNATAKA INFORMATION >> COMMISSION IS REFUSING >> > THE >> > > COMPLAINTS FILED BY THE RTI APPLICANTS UNDER >> SECTION 18(1) OF THE RTI ACT >> > > AND KIC OFFICIALS ARE  DIRECTING ALL THE RTI >> APPLICANTS NOT FILE ANY >> > > COMPLAINTS UNDER SECTION 18 (1) OF THE ACT , >> BUT  THEY ARE DIRECTING RTI >> > > APPLICANTS TO  FILE  1ST APEAL UNDER >> SECTION 19 (1) OF THE ACT BEFORE THE >> > > RESPECTIVE PUBLIC APPELATE AUHTHORITIES AND THEN >> ONLY ALL THE APPLICANTS >> > > MUST FILE 2ND APPEAL UNDER 19(3) OF  THE >> ACT  BEFORE KARNATAKA >> > INFORMATION >> > > COMMISSION ,  * >> > > *ONE OF THE OFFICIAL SAID SECTION 18 IS SCRAPPED >> * >> > > * >> > > * >> > > *I AM REQUESTING EVERY  CITIZEN /ACTIVIST / >> SOCIAL WORKER / RTI USER TO >> > > EXAMINE THE GAZETTE AND PLEASE GIVE VALUABLE >> COMENTS  , WHETHER THIS RULE >> > > MADE BY THE GOVERNMENT  IS VALID AS PER THE >> PROVISIONS OF THE RTI ACT  ? >> > * >> > > *AFTER SIX YEARS OF LAPSE  ALSO MOST OF THE >> GOVERNMENT DEPARTMENTS DONT >> > > WANT RTI ACT TO BRING TRANSPARENCY AND GOOD >> GOVERNANCE IN THIER OFFICES >> > AND >> > > NOT INTERESTED TO IMPLEMENT SECTION 4(1) A & >> B OF THE ACT  WITH GREAT >> > > SPIRIT * >> > > *MOST  OF THEM DONT KNOW WHAT IS MEANT BY >> PIO  AND THEY HAVE NOT >> > APPOINTED >> > > APPLELATE AUTHORITY  ALSO , * >> > > *THIS IS THE TRICK PLAYED BY KARNATAKA >> INFORMATION COMMISSION  WHO ARE >> > > RETIRED BUREAUCRATS   TO SUPRESS >> THE FREEDOM OF INFORMATION   TO SIT IDLE >> > > AND TO GET  THE  AROUND 1.5 LAKSH >> SALARY AND  OTHER  BENIFITS , >> > PRIVILAGES >> > > , CAR , PERKS ETC , * >> > > *THEY DONT WANT TO HEAR AND PROVIDE THE >> INFORMATION SOUGHT   UNDER >> > SECTION >> > >  18 OF THE ACT , AND ACTIVISTS NEED THE ACT >> TO EXPOSE THE CORRUPTION IN >> > THE >> > > STATE  , **EALIER KARNATAKA IS A SILICON >> CITY  NOW IT BECOME SILICON HUB >> > > FOR CORRUPTION  ,* >> > > * DAY BY DAY RTI ACT IS BECOMING DILUTE  , >> EARLIER CHIEF INFORMATION >> > > COMMISSIONER KK MISHRA RECOMONDED FOR ONE SUBJECT >> AND 150 WORDS , NOW >> >  THIS >> > > IS THE SITUATION ,  IF  THE APPLICATION >> UNDER SECTION 18 (1) OF THE ACT >> > IS >> > > NOT HEARD , WHAT IS THE NECESSARY OF SIX >> INFORMATION COMMISSIONERS , NOW >> > > SOME OF THE INFORMATION COMMISSIONER IS HEARING >> MORNING SESSION ONLY >> > ABOUT >> > > 10 TO 12 COMPLAINTS AND SOME OF THEM HEARING MORE >> THAN 25  WITHIN  1 >> > HOUR , >> > >  SOME OF THEM ARE NOT SPENDING MORE THAN >> FRACTION OF SECOND TO DISPOSE >> > THE >> > > COMPLAINTS , AFTER NOON NO HEARINGS , BUT EACH >> INFORMATION COMMISSIONER >> > IS >> > > GETING EQUAL TO HIGH COURT JUDGES SALARY BUT WHAT >> IS THE PROGRESS AND OUT >> > > PUT FROM THEM TO THE CITIZENS * >> > > * >> > > * >> > > *WITH REGARDS * >> > > * >> > > * >> > > *ARS KUMAR .BE. LLB , MA JOURNALISM [ MA HUMAN >> RIGHTS ]* >> > > *SOCIAL ACTIVIST * >> > > *SWAMY VIVEKANANDA RTI JANA JAGRUTHI MISSION * >> > > *KARNATAKA * >> > > *[image: image.png] >> > > * >> > > *[image: image.png] >> > > * >> > > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Anand S. >> > Coordinator, Anti Corruption Forum >> > Bangalore 560 085. >> > Cell No. +91-87928-91066 >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Anand S. >> Coordinator, Anti Corruption Forum >> Bangalore 560 085. >> Cell No. +91-87928-91066 >> >