Re: [HumJanenge] Re: 100 Years of our National Anthem washed away by corrupt activists

Dear Sarbajit: Indeed, I do find CORRELATION and CAUSE.  I am certain that if a REGRESSION were to be done of corrupt nations and failed states, the result would be within several STANDARD DEVIATIONS.  The same result would be forthcoming with GEOMETRIC DISPERSION and its reverse, the POSION DISTRIBUTION. Let me put it another, more simple way:  For instance, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nepal and India are rated similarly on the corruption index.  It is no surprise that they are also rated similarly on the economic and social indices. They are essentially all failed states in the modern context, no matter what their governments may profess.  I can scarcely find any nation that is not corrupt and also backward.  My premise is straight forward:  Corruption is the mother of all;  it corrupts policy and implementation, and corrupt policy and implementation leads to ills of poverty, hunger, illiteracy, lack of justice, and empty debates and zero action. Sarbajit, I know you to be highly intelligent and erudite.  But when idiots talk, if not un-offensive, one could remain quiet.  Here, do have your last word, and then the matter shall remain closed. Regards, Victor   --- On Thu, 12/29/11, R. Dua <r.dua1234@gmail.com> wrote: From: R. Dua <r.dua1234@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Re: 100 Years of our National Anthem washed away by corrupt activists To: humjanenge@googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, December 29, 2011, 9:54 PM With due respects to all concerned, the wait for some positive action from all parties here, till the late hours yesterday. We saw various ways deployed by them, jst to avoid bringing in a bill, which is too close for comfort for the all powerful, perhaps. Now as one theory is that we already have stringent laws in place to counter corruption. Why has corruption increased many fold in the last few decades. So much so that maybe even the ngos also have no alternative but to dabble in it, jst for mere survival? This question has come to mind by going through the abve mentioned thread and not on any particular individual comment. Regards. On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 10:34 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote: Dear Victor The reason a few people (not several) occasionally get a few strong words from me is because I (as group moderator) cannot permit fools and foolishness on this group for the larger benefit of our "intellectual" membership. As an example of foolishness I take up your latest statement "Now, if one would care for an analysis, one would find that more corrupt a nation, the more backward it is in terms of broad economic and social parameters.  That should in itself put an end to the usefulness of corruption." I take this to mean that you find a "positive" CORRELATION between corruption and backwardness in nations. I also presume you mean that if corruption was to reduce then  backwardness would too. Probably you mean that corruption is a CAUSE for backwardness. This is a completely FALLACIOUS argument - although it is appealing to simple minded folks to whom Anna Hazare and his ilk addresses. Please read this, it is one of the basis things we were taught at engineering university (2nd year during one of the statistics courses). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation If you have any query / concerns, I would would be happen to assist you. Sarbajit On 12/30/11, Victor Cooper <victor99cooper@yahoo.com> wrote: > Dear Mr. Sarbajit: > Several members, including myself, have felt the unwarranted searing heat > from your pen. > You may (or may not) be the intellectual, but it would be better to read > temperate words and discussions. > Now, if one would care for an analysis, one would find that more corrupt a > nation, the more backward it is in terms of broad economic and social > parameters.  That should in itself put an end to the usefulness of > corruption.  Of course, one may argue with definitions, but then, one can > argue with and about anything. > To my mind, corruption is a serious issue; indeed it is THE ONLY ISSUE in a > country where maybe 50% go hungry to bed, where justice takes decades, where > an unemployable neta racks up 100 crores within a decade of "public > service", where the Planning Commission wants to declare Rs 30 or 40 as the > dividing line of poverty',  where China was behind us on all social and > economic parameters till just 40 odd years ago, but now is typically, 4 > times ahead, .... ad infinatum. > Whatever one may agree or disagree with, let us use our words > more judicially. > Regards, > Victor